Posted on 03/17/2005 12:17:34 PM PST by Cagey
He's always been a liar. He also killed the Prohormone Industry.
Andro was not a banned substance....why wouldn't he have it in his locker. When he was using it, it was perfectly legal to do so in MLB.
Excellent point, so he was a liar long before yesterday.
Where is it written (except in Jose Canseco's book) that McGwire ever took steroids? How could he lie about something he did not do? I guess that the andro story would deflect from rumors, but since when did RUMORS become FACTS?
But keep in mind that Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens. (Against stupidity, even the gods wrestle in vain.) This phrase is a great help when posting at FR!
Mcguire was probably on something more like 750mg enanthate/week for 10 weeks + 30mg dbol/ day for the first 4 weeks.
Why my quiet suburban town needed Captain Andro on the force is another issue. Maybe the mayor was worried that some super villian would pull a bank heist.
Next you will have congress investigate if steroids are used in the Mr. Olympia competition.
Your being very cynical-I think they just eat a lot of chicken breasts and tuna.
I guess I am just being ignorant. People would never use steroids even if it made the difference between them making $1 million a year and $30,000 a year.
"I could tell from your first message that you had a disdain for Canseco. It seemed that you could not believe him because of that."
I don`t have a disdain for him, I simply cannot take his words at face value with what has already been proven about his book. The guy included info in that book that is simply false ; It has been proven.
"As i said, i don't have all the facts in this case. I'm sure you don't either. But what has he said that has been proven untrue?"
Canseco has made allegations about these players. No facts were presented. So how can I make some kind of judgement about anyone without any facts. You are innocent until proven guilty. Just because someone makes an allegation against you does not in any way force you to answer that allegation. If Canseco wants to prove he is telling the truth in this case, make him prove it. Not those he is accusing.
Dude, if you go to the Golds gym by my house in the AM, youcan see the local yokels getting off the overnight, or getting ready for the day shift, and they are all on.
Litle Acne,nice cuts, big, but, not as strong as their size should dictate.....
Not to keep arguing but you odnt know what you are talking about.
Go back, and research the state of the science of Andro in 1998.
AllHype, no delivery. Andro did not become effective till 4Androstene17diol was discovered, and that was not what McGuire was using.
Going onestep further andro could NEVER deliver the same benefits, as those McGwire reaped.
The rumors that he took steroids are just that....rumors. Until someone can PROVE any of this, it is all just speculation. Unlike Bonds, who admitted to using steroids, just not knowing that they were steroids (according to leaked Grand Jury Testimony).
So, the science of ANDRO does not matter. He was a big guy coming into the league, hitting 49 HR his rookie season. It is not unfathomable to believe that he could gain weight or muscle by working out alone. Maybe the "ANDRO" acted as a placebo for him. As I stated previously, until someone can prove McGwire took steroids, IMHO he did not. And if the only "proof" is written in Canseco's book....that thing is so full of mistruths, it reads like John Kerry's war record.
If the physical evidence doesn't prove it for you, at least we can be sure of one other thing....
you Bonds/McGwire KoolAid types will never put down the cups....
If he didnt take 'roids, where was his denial, when he was under oath last week ????
Even the sportswriters that were doling out the kool-aid have come around.....but hey.
I'ts still a free country, facts dont have to mean anything, if you choose to see it that way.
What facts? The only facts I have to go by are the numbers. McGwire hit homeruns with consistency his entire career.
where was his denial
Since when is a lack of denial an admission of guilt?
If the physical evidence doesn't prove it for you
in 1987, McGwire was listed at 6'5" tall 220 lbs. At the end of his career, he was listed at 6'5" tall 250 lbs. So he gained 30 lbs over 16 seasons, and this constitutes your physical evidence?
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