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An degenerate mind doesn't hear very well. You need to shout. If they come back to church, you can lower your voice.

Amen. If it wasn't for voices like yours, I may never have heard. Some of us don't respond well to the touchy-feely stuff. It's utterly wrong to think that you can reach everyone by using the same tactics. Jesus certainly knew that sometimes you used the silk glove, and other times you used the mailed (rhetorical) fist.

Some of us are better at the latter, others at the former. I don't get on the people who use the 'silk glove' exclusively, unless they descend into enabling. Nor do I find fault with those who know how to use the 'mailed fist' in a constructive and reasonable way. It's important to remember that we're all working toward the same end--and that slamming each other over our tactics is an exercise in futility--as well as a waste of time.

With me, it was C.S. Lewis's withering, causting sense of humor, making mocking fun of agnostic absurdities.

But, in this thread, I also had a political point as well. Liberals have tantrums and then their counterparts, instead of shouting back, end up compromising somewhere bewteen the absurd position and the truth. Compromising with absolute absurdity is absurdity.

Thirty years ago, homosexuality was seen as it should be- and as beastiality is seen now--as a deeply hideous, shameful, ugly, disease-ridden road to death. When someone says "celebrate my perversity" you should respond in the harshest possible terms, as intolerantly as possible, because they are asking you, essentially, to participate.