"Well, your research wasn't good enough. It's NOT Islam, it's Islamism"
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Cheap shot. Has no place in the debate; you could have gone straight to your point, but you obviously felt a need to assert your sense of superiority.
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"There have been some condemnations, including a recent fatwa against bin Laden, which I hope is carried out successfully. There have not been enough of them, I'll grant you, but the ones that have been issued do not get much attention from the media, because the media wants to portray our current efforts as a war against Muslims rather than a war against terrorists. If we show Muslims condemning the terrorists, that makes it clearly focused as a war on terror (which it si, of course), not a war on Islam. Once again, the media is serving its ideologyu before the facts."
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I am naturally suspicious of this fatwa, coming 4 years after the slaughter. And it could be another instance of the Islamic practic of taqiyyeh, which is sanctioned by the Koran. By the way, I will take the high road and refraim from pointing out your own misspellings and typos.
Anyone else wish to comment on the recent fatwa against Bin Laden?
Anyone else wish to comment on the recent fatwa against Bin Laden?
Heheh... I posted about this waaaaaay back (seems an eternity now, on this thread) in commmet #23:
Why haven't there been hundreds of these fatwahs? Why only now? Why only one all these years later? When will they issue a bunch of fatwahs against killing Jews? The message here appears to be act like good dhimmis and roll over for now and until we can build up our ummah in Spain and take Andalusia back... just give us a chance to reach critical mass first. The Muslims there are still all excited over the reopening of a Mosque in the shadows of Alhambra, Granada (Andalusia/Spain) and hearing the dog-like howl of the Adhan there for the first time in 500 years.
It's interesting tho... as they opened it, there was a conference in Granada about "Islam in Europe" and the keynote speaker was Umar Ibrahim Vadillo, leader of Murabitun.
Mr Vadillo said America's economic interests had become the religion of the world and that people slavishly adjusted their lifestyles to suit the capitalist model.But he said capitalism cannot sustain itself and is bound to collapse.
Disapproval of terror
Mr Vadillo, a Spanish Muslim, called on all followers of Islam to stop using western currencies such as the dollar, the pound and the euro and instead to return to the use of the gold dinar.
He said the introduction of the gold dinar to the world's economies would be the single most unifying event for Muslims in the modern era.
Shortly afterwards, he said, the capitalist structure would quickly fall and it would make the Wall Street crash of 1929 seem minor by comparison. The conference also heard from Abu Bakr Rieger, a German Muslim.
He said Islam could only be practised in Europe in a traditional way, not in one adapted to European values and structures.
He also said private terrorism would find no approval among European Muslims.
As you can gather, they see the reintroduction of the Gold Dinar as just an intermediate step unify and strenghten the Ummah... the universal Gold Dinar is the currency of the pan-Islamic Kaliphate.
Note they also warn against innovations and adaptations to Islam. It's considered bidah.
I suppose I better save my breath. Islam Q+A makes it clear what they think of Jews and if lies and deceit is permissable.
Islamism?? Tell that to a "true believer" over at the Islamic forums. Where does their ideology come from and are they the bidahis or are those that water down islam and introduce innovations guilty of bidah?
So let's see now. You claim that no Muslims ahve condemned any of the terrorism, so I point out the fatwa against bin Laden, which is pretty severe condemnation. (May they be successful inc rrying it out.) So you, of course, dismiss the fatwa as suspicious and not real because it would contradict your argument, so it can't possibly be for real.
Sure, that makes sense.