[Torie]

The tarbaby has really got ahold of you now, and the quicksand beakens. In the light of the morning, you might wish you had spent this evening with your grandkid. Maybe. I would like to think so.

You see, within certain limits, maturity is about realizing that folks of good conscience can have well thought out views that might differ from you, even on abortion. It is a matter of a priori beliefs. That does not mean that you should hesitate to fight for yours in the public square vigorously, but if the fight simply poisons the public square, ala the way SCOTUS has done, we ALL tend to lose.

I know, none of this makes any sense to you probably. But I felt constrained to say it.

[Protagoras]

I hope it made you feel better to say it.

Murder is not a matter of opinion Torie. There is no "position" on murdering babies. Some are for it, they are wrong.

And if you think talking straight on a website like this "poisons the public square", it may be time for you to consider if infanticide "poisons" society, and which is more important.

[Cold Heat]

I totally agree Torie.

The public square is getting a severe workout.

This may well turn into a even more divisive dispute then it is now.

The party majority has tolerated quite a lot from the so called religious right on several issues. They may not be so willing to do it much longer if they feel threatened by over zealous advocacy.

Franky, I have felt that way for years.

Your point is well made, and well taken.