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Bill would get Minnesota immigrants in-state tuition
mndaily.com ^ | March 11, 2005 | Ryan Dionne

Posted on 03/11/2005 8:26:12 AM PST by sheana

The Senate Higher Education Budget Division analyzed and adopted an act Thursday allowing immigrants to pay in-state tuition.

If enacted, the bill would get immigrants in-state tuition if they graduated from a Minnesota high school or attended one for more than two years.

Committee chairwoman and co-author of the bill Sen. Sandy Pappas, DFL-St. Paul, said it will help more immigrants get college educations.

(Excerpt) Read more at mndaily.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: aliens; education; illegalimmigrants; instatetuition; minnesota
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To: matymac
I still have a problem with the state sanctioning illegal immigration, but if these students and/ or theri parents are paying taxes (which I highly doubt) they shoould be allowed to attend the coolege for the same tuition rate as other in staters...

I don't. They can still go to college. They just have to pay the higher rate that an out-of-stater would pay.

It's the least they (or their parents) can do to begin to repay the state for being here illegally in the first place.

Not that I think this is ever going to happen. It's more likely that someone will introduce a bill to give them free tuition.

21 posted on 03/11/2005 9:08:05 AM PST by skip_intro
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To: sheana

One has to wonder why we are supporting that country and not our own.


22 posted on 03/11/2005 9:11:00 AM PST by stopem (Support the troops yellow ribbon purse-key-holders.)
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To: matymac
If the student in considered illegal because their parents brought them here...should they be held responsible for the sins of the father?

No, and they shouldn't be rewarded for the sins either.

23 posted on 03/11/2005 9:13:00 AM PST by Hacksaw (Real men don't buy their firewood.)
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To: John Thornton
Well good for you. So much for Christian charity.
Nobody should be rewarded for illegal immigration, but at the same time you are ignoring that fact that these kids have no control over where they are born, and because they are already integrated into our society shouldn't we look to promoting education as a toll for success so that they will not be a drain on the economy? Paying extra costs now to avoid future lifetime costs makes more sense to me. If the tuition break allows kids who couldn't otherwise afford it to go to college and become successful, why would you stand in the way of that...?
24 posted on 03/11/2005 9:18:15 AM PST by matymac (The NEA = Neo Elitist A*sholes)
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To: John Thornton

Obviously if you aren't going to give the benefit to U.S. citizens in other states you shouldn't give it to illegals. Plus if an illegal is old enough to go to college isn't he also old enough to start the application procedures for legal status? And if immigration laws doesn't have a special category for this why should state taxpayers create one?

Most of these proposed in-state tuition laws require that student has attended high school for three years or so in the state. Problem is that in states with good home school laws, there are a lot of umbrella schools operating that don't require residency, and also a lot of internet education schools that generate official transcripts. Kid could be virtually anywhere in the world, enroll in local umbrella high school, claim three years of high school and get in-state tuition.

Not that I think that this possibility in any way should be used as an argument against good home schooling laws.


25 posted on 03/11/2005 9:18:21 AM PST by cosine
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To: sheana

In Arkansas ther is a bill to provide colege scholorships to illegal aliens Here is an oopinion on the bill from the AR AG

Opinion No. 2005-054

March 10, 2005

The Honorable Jim Holt
State Senator
2835 South 56th Street
Springdale, AR 72762-0844

Dear Senator Holt:

I am writing in response to your request for an expedited opinion on the following question:

Does House Bill 1525 violate any applicable federal law?

As you note this bill, which is currently pending in the legislative session, would make eligible for in-state colleges tuition and state-supported scholarships those students without documented immigration status who have attended Arkansas high schools for at least three years and been admitted to college. For the sake of clarity, I will set out the full text of the bill's substantive provisions. Section 1 states:

(a) This act shall be known as the "Access to Postsecondary Education Act of 2005."

(b) A student without documented immigration status shall be exempt from paying the nonresident portion of total tuition for attendance at a state-supported institution of higher education, if the student:

(1) Attended high school in Arkansas for no fewer than three (3) school years;

(2) Graduated from a high school in Arkansas or received a General Education Development diploma in the state; and

(3) Is or has been admitted at an institution of higher education.

(c) A student meeting the requirements of subsection (b) of this section who graduated from high school after December 1, 2004, shall be eligible for state-supported scholarships if the student meets all other eligibility requirements of the scholarship program that are not related to residency or immigration status.

(d) In addition to the requirements under subdivision (b) of this section, a student without documented status shall file an affidavit with the state-supported institution of higher education stating that the student has an intent to legalize his or her immigration status.

(e) The Arkansas Higher Education Coordinating Board shall promulgate the rules necessary for implementation of this act.

RESPONSE

Although we do not have the benefit of judicial interpretation, it is my opinion that House Bill 1525 may violate 8 U.S.C. § 1623 if the courts read the high school attendance and graduation requirements as tantamount to residence.[1] Additionally, I believe the bill may give rise to an Equal Protection challenge if it is enacted into law.

With regard, first, to 8 U.S.C. § 1623, this federal statute was enacted as part of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996. It provides as follows:

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen or national is such a resident.

According to a plain reading of this statute, the State cannot offer illegal aliens any postsecondary education benefit “on the basis of residence within [the] State” unless a non-resident citizen is eligible for the benefit.[2] Because the benefits under HB 1525 do not appear to extend to non-resident citizens, it would seem that exempting illegal aliens from the “nonresident portion of total tuition” will be contrary to 8 U.S.C. § 1623 unless this benefit is not extended to aliens “on the basis of residence within [the] State.” The same analysis applies with respect to “state-supported scholarships,” assuming that by this term HB 1525 means scholarships that are otherwise only available to Arkansas residents.

Turning to HB 1525, eligibility for these benefits is based upon three years of high school attendance and high school graduation in the State (or receipt of a GED). While this does not expressly establish eligibility “based on residence within [the] State,” I believe a court faced with the question could conclude that this is a de facto residence requirement, particularly when it is recognized that state residency is a general prerequisite to high school attendance in Arkansas. Arkansas Constitution Article 14, Section 1 provides in part that "the State shall ever maintain a general, suitable and efficient system of free public schools.…” The legislature has interpreted this mandate to mean that the free public schools must generally be available in appropriately sized districts to serve resident students. See A.C.A. § 6-18-202.[3]

An Equal Protection question also arises under HB 1525 as currently drafted. The bill appears to make an undocumented high school graduate eligible for the exemption from the “nonresident portion of total tuition” regardless of whether he or she is currently an Arkansas resident. On the other hand, however, another student who is not currently an Arkansas resident but who otherwise meets the requirements of HB 1525 (attended high school for at least three years and graduated or received a GED in the State), except that he or she is not an undocumented alien, would apparently not be eligible for the exemption. State laws that make distinctions based on alienage must meet the requirements of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Graham v. Richardson, 403 U.S. 353 (1971). Such laws are evaluated under “heightened” review, and can only survive challenge if they serve important governmental objectives and are substantially related to those objectives. Plyler, supra; Craig v. Boren, 492 U.S. 190 (1976). Few statutes have ever been found to satisfy this standard. Thus, I believe HB 1525 would likely fail to meet this test.

It is my opinion for the foregoing reasons that HB 1525 may be subject to challenge under federal law.

Assistant Attorney General Elisabeth A. Walker prepared the foregoing opinion, which I hereby approve.

Sincerely,

MIKE BEEBE

Attorney General

MB:EAW/cyh




[1] A Kansas statute that extends similar benefits to any student, including but not limited to an undocumented immigrant, is currently the subject of a federal court challenge. See Day, et al. v. Sebelius, et al., No. 04-4085-JAR (D. Kansas, filed July 19, 2004).



[2] Although HB 1525 does not define “student without documented status,” I assume for purposes of the foregoing statute that such a student would fall within the category of “an alien who is not lawfully present in the United States,” i.e., a so-called “illegal alien.”



[3] This requirement extends to undocumented school-age children, according to the United States Supreme Court decision in Plyler v. Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982). The court in Plyler found that the State of Texas effectively denied to school-age children of illegal aliens the opportunity to attend the free public schools that the State made available to all residents. The court held that this violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U. S. Constitution. Consistent with this ruling, and as recognized by the introductory language to HB 1525, “children of undocumented immigrants who have lived in Arkansas most of their lives … have spent their formative years in Arkansas elementary and secondary schools….” HB 1525 (language


26 posted on 03/11/2005 9:36:54 AM PST by preacher
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To: stopem

We should just take over Mexico.


27 posted on 03/11/2005 9:42:58 AM PST by Clock King
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To: matymac
why would you stand in the way of that...?

You are taking it out of some poor American kid's pocket to give it to an illegal immigrant. I am sure that you haven't exhausted the supply of legal American residents in need of help; and, the future of those kids is also in play.
28 posted on 03/11/2005 9:47:48 AM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: cosine
Kid could be virtually anywhere in the world, enroll in local umbrella high school, claim three years of high school and get in-state tuition.

Or, reverse, dad gets a job in a new state, moves the family when son just started sophomore year. Kid graduates, but can't get in-state tuition because he didn't spend a whole three years in high school in the state.

That's just wrong.

29 posted on 03/11/2005 9:54:18 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: preacher

You can also add onto that....it is against the law to "aid and abet" illegal aliens.

aid Audio pronunciation of "aid" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d)
intr. & tr.v. aid·ed, aid·ing, aids

To help or furnish with help, support, or relief. See Synonyms at help.


n.

1. The act or result of helping; assistance.



a·bet Audio pronunciation of "abet" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-bt)
tr.v. a·bet·ted, a·bet·ting, a·bets

1. To approve, encourage, and support (an action or a plan of action); urge and help on.
2. To urge, encourage, or help (a person): abetted the thief in robbing the bank.


30 posted on 03/11/2005 9:57:49 AM PST by sheana
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To: sheana

Committee chairwoman and co-author of the bill Sen. Sandy Pappas,

That would be the FOUL MOUTH Sandy Pappas

Question, does this apply to illegal immigrants?


31 posted on 03/11/2005 9:43:19 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Valin

the bill is specifically for illegal immigrants.


32 posted on 03/12/2005 9:23:43 AM PST by sheana
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To: sheana

Oh WONDERFUL!
Reason #397,719 why only idiots vote for democrats.


33 posted on 03/12/2005 4:59:16 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Valin

Republicans vote for this crap too. Read Tom Mclintock's column "Subsidizing Illegal Immigration" about the in-state tuition in California.

http://www.tommcclintock.com/columns.htm


34 posted on 03/13/2005 9:44:01 AM PST by sheana
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To: skip_intro

As someone who still pays out-of-state tuition and teaches US students but doesn't earn enough to live on, I can tell you that out-of-state tuition can stop someone from going to college.

Consider the jobs illegal aliens do (the ones others don't want and often ones that are under the minimum wage) and you can see how their children have little chance of college.

The bill is for aliens who pay state taxes. Isn't that the reason for instate tuition?

They contribute to public education with their taxes, and though many people don't like it, they are likely going to stay in the place they went to high-school, and where there family has moved to. If they're now members of the community, isn't it in everyone's best interest that they are educated and better able to become productive and valuable members?


35 posted on 03/24/2005 2:59:01 PM PST by an_alien
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