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Fulton Co. Judge shot and killed in courthouse shooting (BREAKING Fri 9A)
WAGA-TV/WSB-TV Atlanta | 3.11.05

Posted on 03/11/2005 6:39:06 AM PST by mhking

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To: CalRepublican
The deputy killed in front of the courthouse was attempting to stop him from fleeing. It's not uncommon for a crook to flee before the word gets out. The exit stairwell was apparently right next to the courtroom, and there would have been a bit of a delay before the alarm was raised.

The implied supposition in your question most likely doesn't match the facts in this case.

3,381 posted on 03/11/2005 10:04:10 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Ramius

Ah, thanks, I had not heard that. Too much media out there to keep up with.


3,382 posted on 03/11/2005 10:05:12 PM PST by DGray (http://nicanfhilidh.blogspot.com)
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To: Ramius

That makes more sense.

This still just boggles my mind, though. I've been in criminal courthouses in LA, Hollywood, Ft. Worth, Dallas. . .there are usually a ton of cops.

Even in a civil courthouse, there are tons of bailiffs. I'm just thinking about the county courthouse in downtown LA. If you shot someone in a courtroom by the time you got halfway down the hall there'd be bailiffs pouring out of every courtroom.

What they need is in a situation like that for someone to be able to hit an emergency alarm that would seal the exits.


3,383 posted on 03/11/2005 10:06:54 PM PST by CalRepublican
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To: advance_copy
I think the point behind the jeopardy clause was to keep people from being tried over and over until they get convicted.

I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree on this one. My interpretation of the jeopardy clause is that it's intended to keep people who've been found not guilty from being tried over and over until they get convicted.

3,384 posted on 03/11/2005 10:06:59 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg
here in Marietta I just heard 3 shots in the distance.
each about a minute apart.
3,385 posted on 03/11/2005 10:09:24 PM PST by higgmeister (hoping for the best)
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To: ArmstedFragg

The deputy shot in front of the courthouse has died now as well? Ugghh.

What a horrible day.

I still can't believe that this guy escaped from a courthouse that would have been crawling with law enforcement officers.


3,386 posted on 03/11/2005 10:09:44 PM PST by CalRepublican
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To: ArmstedFragg; advance_copy

Itis just that: If you are found Not Guilty, you can't be tried again, but that jury never reached a verdict, so they essential were starting over again.


3,387 posted on 03/11/2005 10:09:54 PM PST by eyespysomething (Vous pouvez vous rendre au garde de securite!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
"What matters is that this is a blow to the heart of society. So yes, in his position as a judge, he IS more important than you or I."

no, I disagree...maybe in the Middle ages the kings were more important, but gee, we have this little thing called a constitution that says that we are all created equal.....

my point only is that the very judicial system that has let all Americans down is the same system that helped produce this tragedy today.....

if we weren't so politically correct, if we didn't let the ACLU run roughshod over our laws, if we were more concerned with the safety of society instead of making the defendent look good, then Mr. Nicohls would never have been out of prison garb and he would have had handcuffs on......

its the same fuzzy thinking that allows convicterd child molesters to ever walk the streets again.....that allowed Steven Straynor's rapist and abductor to be free to try it again....

3,388 posted on 03/11/2005 10:12:38 PM PST by cherry
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To: CalRepublican
What they need is in a situation like that for someone to be able to hit an emergency alarm that would seal the exits.

Bad if the emergency is a fire though, or if the shooter is roaming the halls killing indiscriminantly.

3,389 posted on 03/11/2005 10:13:31 PM PST by Ramius (Hmmm... yeah, that'd be great...)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Well, not that much of a disagreement. I don't claim to be any kind of expert on it. Yet, since there was only one day and a half of jury deliberations and they were breaking 8-4 for acquittal, the whole rape trial/re-trial seems a little fishy to me. Who knows? We weren't in the courtroom to hear the evidence in that case.


3,390 posted on 03/11/2005 10:13:48 PM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Yes, he did.


3,391 posted on 03/11/2005 10:14:47 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: CalRepublican
The deputy shot in front of the courthouse has died now as well

He was the fatality. The deputy who lost the weapon survived, and is going to have a tough road back, both emotionally and physically.

3,392 posted on 03/11/2005 10:15:02 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Ramius

I put that badly--not seal the exits as in automatically. I meant seal the exits as in an alarm that would notify the law enforcement that they needed to head to the exits to physically seal them.


3,393 posted on 03/11/2005 10:15:54 PM PST by CalRepublican
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To: IonImplantGuru
Perhaps that's why they found me innocent, huh? (Guy assaulted my wife, therefore I assaulted him, in her defense. The perp then had the chutzpah to make charges against me... but the system actually worked in my case.)

Good. And good!

3,394 posted on 03/11/2005 10:17:13 PM PST by null and void ( That you apparently understood that little rant leaves me in awe, and yet filled with consternation)
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To: tiredoflaundry
If he is caught alive, who da heck would defend him? Nobody in their right mind could.

Then there is no shortage of available council, is there?

3,395 posted on 03/11/2005 10:19:11 PM PST by null and void ( That you apparently understood that little rant leaves me in awe, and yet filled with consternation)
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To: eyespysomething
If you are found Not Guilty, you can't be tried again

Unless, of course, you've committed a crime against political correctness, in which case you get tried again in Federal Court if you're found not guilty at the state level.

3,396 posted on 03/11/2005 10:21:16 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: ArmstedFragg

Boy am I confused--

"Fulton County (Ga.) Sheriff's Deputy Cynthia Hall is shown in an undated photo provided by the department. Hall was shot and killed Friday, March 11, 2005, in Atlanta, when a man being escorted into court for his rape trial stole a deputy's gun, killed the judge, Hall and another deputy, Sgt. Hoyt Teasley, then carjacked a reporter's vehicle to escape, setting off a massive manhunt and creating widespread chaos across the city. (AP Photo/Fulton County (Ga.) Sheriff)"

That's the caption from an AP photo that accompanies a story wherein this appears:

"Nichols got the semiautomatic pistol by overpowering the female deputy while he was being led down a corridor in the Fulton County Courthouse, Assistant Police Chief Alan Dreher said. After shooting the deputy in the face, the suspect then went to the courtroom, held about a dozen people at bay for a short time and shot and killed Superior Court Judge Rowland Barnes and court reporter Julie Brandau, authorities said.

Another deputy, identified as Sgt. Hoyt Teasley, was later killed outside the courthouse when he confronted the suspect, Dreher said. The deputy shot while leading Nichols to court, identified as Cynthia Hall, was in critical condition but was expected to survive."


3,397 posted on 03/11/2005 10:21:23 PM PST by CalRepublican
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To: ArmstedFragg

Greta reporting on Fox that he definitly has two firearms. The firearm found at the scene belonged to the dead deputy. The second firearm he has belonged to the judge's "balif" deputy, who the perp handcuffed in the Judge's chambers, but did not shoot. No word on if the perp took the spare magazines from the deputy he killed. I guess he figured two guns was enough.


3,398 posted on 03/11/2005 10:21:50 PM PST by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: spodefly
Naturally, Howard gave the politically correct answer. "Yes they should ... it's what's in the heart, not the size ... blah, blah."

Idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Basic physics eludes him.

Yeah. I nearly wrecked the car when I heard that!

3,399 posted on 03/11/2005 10:22:44 PM PST by null and void ( That you apparently understood that little rant leaves me in awe, and yet filled with consternation)
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To: CalRepublican

Nice job of caption writing, huh? The caption's wrong, the story's right.


3,400 posted on 03/11/2005 10:24:33 PM PST by ArmstedFragg
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