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Missile Counter-Attack: Axworthy [fmr. Canadian Foreign Minister] fires back at U.S.
Winnipeg Free Press ^ | 03/03/05 | Lloyd Axworthy

Posted on 03/04/2005 2:47:37 PM PST by bourbon

Missile Counter-Attack

Axworthy fires back at U.S. -- and Canadian -- critics of our BMD decision in An Open Letter to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice

Thu Mar 3 2005

By LLOYD AXWORTHY

Dear Condi,

I'm glad you've decided to get over your fit of pique and venture north to visit your closest neighbour. It's a chance to learn a thing or two. Maybe more.

I know it seems improbable to your divinely guided master in the White House that mere mortals might disagree with participating in a missile-defence system that has failed in its last three tests, even though the tests themselves were carefully rigged to show results.

But, gosh, we folks above the 49th parallel are somewhat cautious types who can't quite see laying down billions of dollars in a three-dud poker game.

As our erstwhile Prairie-born and bred (and therefore prudent) finance minister pointed out in presenting his recent budget, we've had eight years of balanced or surplus financial accounts. If we're going to spend money, Mr. Goodale added, it will be on day-care and health programs, and even on more foreign aid and improved defence.

Sure, that doesn't match the gargantuan, multi-billion-dollar deficits that your government blithely runs up fighting a "liberation war" in Iraq, laying out more than half of all weapons expenditures in the world, and giving massive tax breaks to the top one per cent of your population while cutting food programs for poor children. Just chalk that up to a different sense of priorities about what a national government's role should be when there isn't a prevailing mood of manifest destiny.

Coming to Ottawa might also expose you to a parliamentary system that has a thing called question period every day, where those in the executive are held accountable by an opposition for their actions, and where demands for public debate on important topics such as missile defence can be made openly.

You might also notice that it's a system in which the governing party's caucus members are not afraid to tell their leader that their constituents don't want to follow the ideological, perhaps teleological, fantasies of Canada's continental co-inhabitant. And that this leader actually listens to such representations.

Your boss did not avail himself of a similar opportunity to visit our House of Commons during his visit, fearing, it seems, that there might be some signs of dissent. He preferred to issue his diktat on missile defence in front of a highly controlled, pre-selected audience.

Such control-freak antics may work in the virtual one-party state that now prevails in Washington. But in Canada we have a residual belief that politicians should be subject to a few checks and balances, an idea that your country once espoused before the days of empire.

If you want to have us consider your proposals and positions, present them in a proper way, through serious discussion across the table in our cabinet room, as your previous president did when he visited Ottawa. And don't embarrass our prime minister by lobbing a verbal missile at him while he sits on a public stage, with no chance to respond. Now, I understand that there may have been some miscalculations in Washington based on faulty advice from your resident governor of the "northern territories," Ambassador Cellucci. But you should know by now that he hasn't really won the hearts and minds of most Canadians through his attempts to browbeat and command our allegiance to U.S. policies.

Sadly, Mr. Cellucci has been far too closeted with exclusive groups of 'experts' from Calgary think-tanks and neo-con lobbyists at cross-border conferences to remotely grasp a cross-section of Canadian attitudes (nor American ones, for that matter).

I invite you to expand the narrow perspective that seems to inform your opinions of Canada by ranging far wider in your reach of contacts and discussions. You would find that what is rising in Canada is not so much anti-Americanism, as claimed by your and our right-wing commentators, but fundamental disagreements with certain policies of your government. You would see that rather than just reacting to events by drawing on old conventional wisdoms, many Canadians are trying to think our way through to some ideas that can be helpful in building a more secure world.

These Canadians believe that security can be achieved through well-modulated efforts to protect the rights of people, not just nation-states.

To encourage and advance international co-operation on managing the risk of climate change, they believe that we need agreements like Kyoto.

To protect people against international crimes like genocide and ethnic cleansing, they support new institutions like the International Criminal Court -- which, by the way, you might strongly consider using to hold accountable those committing atrocities today in Darfur, Sudan.

And these Canadians believe that the United Nations should indeed be reformed -- beginning with an agreement to get rid of the veto held by the major powers over humanitarian interventions to stop violence and predatory practices.

On this score, you might want to explore the concept of the 'Responsibility to Protect' while you're in Ottawa. It's a Canadian idea born out of the recent experience of Kosovo and informed by the many horrific examples of inhumanity over the last half-century. Many Canadians feel it has a lot more relevance to providing real human security in the world than missile defence ever will.

This is not just some quirky notion concocted in our long winter nights, by the way. It seems to have appeal for many in your own country, if not the editorialists at the Wall Street Journal or Rush Limbaugh. As I discovered recently while giving a series of lectures in southern California, there is keen interest in how the U.S. can offer real leadership in managing global challenges of disease, natural calamities and conflict, other than by military means. There is also a very strong awareness on both sides of the border of how vital Canada is to the U.S. as a partner in North America. We supply copious amounts of oil and natural gas to your country, our respective trade is the world's largest in volume, and we are increasingly bound together by common concerns over depletion of resources, especially very scarce fresh water.

Why not discuss these issues with Canadians who understand them, and seek out ways to better cooperate in areas where we agree -- and agree to respect each other's views when we disagree.

Above all, ignore the Cassandras who deride the state of our relations because of one missile-defence decision. Accept that, as a friend on your border, we will offer a different, independent point of view. And that there are times when truth must speak to power.

In friendship,

Lloyd Axworthy

Lloyd Axworthy is president of the University of Winnipeg and a former Canadian foreign minister.


TOPICS: Canada; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: axworthy; bush; canada; condi; condoleezza; lloyd; missiledefense; rice
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To: bourbon
Quite the lecture on democratic sensibilities from this ex-minister of the de facto one party state that is Canada.
21 posted on 03/04/2005 3:22:50 PM PST by Jeff F
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To: Walkingfeather
President and Vice-Chancellor Lloyd Axworthy

The University of Winnipeg
Office: 3W02
515 Portage Ave
Winnipeg, MB
R3B 2E9

Phone Number: 204.786.9214

EMail: president@uwinnipeg.ca

22 posted on 03/04/2005 3:23:47 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon

This is really childish. Is it a parody of some sort?


23 posted on 03/04/2005 3:25:46 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: bourbon

Okay, I see your comment (#15) where you say this isn't a parody. That's hard to believe, but I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.


24 posted on 03/04/2005 3:27:36 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: bourbon

I just told him ... to be fruitful and multiply.......but not in those exact words.


25 posted on 03/04/2005 3:30:08 PM PST by Walkingfeather (q)
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To: bourbon

The name to the likes of you, Mr Axworthy, is

US Secretary of State, Ms. Rice .

Remember that, won't you?

Thanks


26 posted on 03/04/2005 3:32:10 PM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: bourbon

The man is clearly an inadequete, racist, idiot. This is why NOBODY in the world takes Canada seriously.

"It's a Canadian idea born out of the recent experience of Kosovo"

Someone refresh me, was it Bosnia or Kosovo where the Canadian soldiers committed atrocities that the Canadian government tried to hush up?


27 posted on 03/04/2005 3:33:09 PM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my spelling)
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To: 68skylark; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Clive; UpHereEh; NorthOf45

Could y'all please clear up the confusion on this thread surrounding, (1) who Lloyd Axworthy is and (2) whether or not this article is a "parody." No one seems to believe me.

Many thanks, FRiends.


28 posted on 03/04/2005 3:33:39 PM PST by bourbon
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To: bourbon
I know it seems improbable to your divinely guided master in the White House that mere mortals might disagree with participating in a missile-defence system that has failed in its last three tests, even though the tests themselves were carefully rigged to show results.

Dear Mr. Axworthy:

I'm writing to express my surprise at seeing you write something that is so similar to my thoughts on a different subject matter. Consider the following:

I know it seems improbable to your divinely guided masters in Ottawa that mere mortals might disagree with participating in a mandatory gun-registration program that has had no impact on crime statistics in Canada since its inception, even though the program was provided with an unlimited budget that has driven its cost over the $1 billion mark (the cost of the program was originally estimated at $2 million).

Thank you, and please go f#%& yourself.

Sincerely,

Alberta's Child

30 posted on 03/04/2005 3:44:36 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: Owl558

Neither. I believe that was Somalia.


31 posted on 03/04/2005 3:47:16 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm not expecting to grow flowers in the desert.)
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To: bourbon

This is no parody - this is how fatuous Canucklehead pontificaters actually write when they think that the Americans aren't reading!

Lloyd Axworthy typifies the smug and smarmy Liberal Party triumphalism that Canada has endured since the collapse of the Conservatives post-Mulroney.

Stephen Lewis is another Canadian lefty narcissist, full of bloated self-regard, who bloviates regularly on Canadian moral superiority. Google him at your peril, unless wearing gumboots.

So please do NOT export to us any of your own corn-fed Yankee lefties; we've got more than enough of these quivering eunuchs already!


32 posted on 03/04/2005 3:47:48 PM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: bourbon

We should take the effin' patch of snow.


33 posted on 03/04/2005 3:48:53 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: IrishCatholic
"If we really are such militaristic fascists who don't care about the rest of the planet, why don't we just take Canada over? What is to stop us other than our good nature? Then we could use their resources for free and their population as day care workers and interior decorators."

Go ahead invade us and take our resources but you will have to expropriate them from the legitimate owners.

Canadian mining companies are not owned by the government. They publicly held Corporations. Anyone in the world can invest in Canadian mining enterprises and reap the rewards of exploding commodities prices, even Americans, if they can find a broker who is licensed to sell Canadian mining stocks.

And since Canadian mining and exploration companies control 30% of the world's mining leases on every continent, American investors would be able to take advantage of incredible leverage in base metals,industrial minerals as well as gold, silver and PGM's.

All you have to do to get access to Canadian resources is get off your wallet and buy them. They're for sale to anyone who wants to buy.

In other words the Canadian resource sector is an open market run by CAPITALISTS. You won't find a single socialist on the board of a Canadian mining company and it goes without saying no Communists either.

This knee jerk uninformed talk about annexing or invading Canada is extremely tiresome and counter productive. It's a puerile fantasy born of ignorance and arrogance.

Luckily there are a good number of posters on this board who are well informed about US Canada trade which makes it worth while to visit here.

As far as MD is concerned, it's my belief that the Canadian government would be cooperative regarding missile defense and would be in a position to politically support it if America played fair on trade.

When the US government stops the illegal embargo on soft wood lumber and stops letting Montana cattle ranchers set trade policy on beef Canada will support MD.

Bilateral trade has been unilateral for the last fifteen years and that situation has to change.
34 posted on 03/04/2005 3:54:36 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: bourbon

Just like they 'steal' and reverse engeneer the Drugs that are developed in the USA... sell them as 'generic' and since they don't need to recoup any costs, can undercut the companies (and give the Dem talking points)

Anyway... the pointy headed sociailsts up N will wait until its evolved into what it is intended to be, and then try to act like they knew it all along.


35 posted on 03/04/2005 4:01:10 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: headsonpikes

A letter to this idiot is in order.


36 posted on 03/04/2005 4:01:12 PM PST by youngtory (Rights are rights are rights. Just like a proof is a proof is a proof.-Liberal dorks.)
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To: headsonpikes

A letter to this idiot is in order.


37 posted on 03/04/2005 4:01:13 PM PST by youngtory (Rights are rights are rights. Just like a proof is a proof is a proof.-Liberal dorks.)
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To: Billthedrill

BTW: We should note that JAPAN is a FULL PARTNER in Missle Defesne (not to mention the Moon-Base plan Bush has for 2020)

I'm young and don't have personal WW2 expereince, but I have tremendous respect for how the Japanese people have conduncted themselves since (esp the past decade or so)


38 posted on 03/04/2005 4:05:04 PM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: bourbon
Axeworthy is code for A$$hole extrordinare in this canuck's world..sorry for the insult thrown your way by this marxist/socialist dickhead..you can have him at no charge so you can match him as the other half of a really distasteful and putrid left leaning bookends with the spawned in Canada virus known as Peter Jennings[the 10 million US$ twit] to be placed,of course in Bubba's double Presidential library...you are not alone ,...the Great White North has more per capita than you guys..
40 posted on 03/04/2005 4:07:31 PM PST by bc boy (bc boy is back from cancun)
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