Posted on 03/03/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
A judge released the DCF document seeking intervention in the Terri Schiavo case. She's the brain-damaged woman at the center of a "right to die" battle.
The department of children and families document names Michael Schiavo as responsible for the mistreatment of his wife. The nine complaints cited are very technical. They essentially claim the abuse or neglect of Terri is in the form of the kind of medical treatment Terri is, or in some cases is not receiving.
The complaint accuses Michael Schiavo of: 1. Failure to educate using certain therapies in violation of guardianship 2. Experimental procedures performed without proper medical and legal procedures observed. 3. Lack of manipulation of the ward's (Terri’s) arms causing severe contractures
Circuit judge George Greer says he will make the document available to the public tomorrow. Greer ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed March 18th.
Me, too!
If that is the snippet from a newspaper article, I have seen that. It is just that everyone is saying, oh, you must read the actual document. It has so much more in there. Oh well, it certainly isn't your problem.
It says there was an "open investigation" previously and they are "allegations that DCF has investigate that have been closed as unfounded." But they reserve the right to review and update those allegations, too.
Odd.
Refused DCF access to a ward? That's unbelieveable.
And I still cannot believe the judge hasn't seen her.
"For all you know, she may be a happier person than yourself. "
YOu are now making an assumption that you know her.......... and nobody knows what she is feeling....... it is all based upon an emotional assumption.
For all the millions of dollars wasted fighting challenges from both sides of the issue there could have been a lot of good passed on to homeless people or treating illnesses that the outcome is more predictable. One has just as much of a right to die as a right to live.
It wasn't DCF. It was a different one. The name escapes me right now. Something to do with Advocacy Center for people with Disabilities. Maybe it was something like the ACPD or ACFD. I just don't remember the name of it at the moment.
Odd.
I thought that strange also.
Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. It gave the gist of what was in the document. Maybe tomorrow there will be more stories out that have some of the 'juicy' details. Sorry!
I think it's a darn shame that's it's taken this long too.
However, I'm hoping this time around, every abuse will be fully investigated.
Does anyone know if Greer can tell them to take a hike and not allow them the 60 days? If he can, I'd be moving out of Florida real quick.
If that happens to me or a loved one it would be my wishes and our wishes as we have discussed, to not be victimized by heroics if the outcome leads to being a burden on the rest of the family. What I deem as a quality of life is not the same as one who would choose to interfere in personal medical decisions. I believe it is ethically more acceptable to have a trained medical professional administer euthanasia as to put a bullet in my head.
the slippery slope here is interfering with personal medical decisions by outsiders.
I read the 11 pg document and I got the impression that they told him he can't tell them to get lost. They quoted a whole lot of cases that set different precedents.
Greer overrode that. I don't know whether DCF will be appealing that decision, or what the effect is going to be. I also don't know whether the decision could turn out to in fact be a good thing for Terri (even though it's certain Greer is almost certainly releasing the documents in the hopes they'll harm her).
Among other things, one of the primary purposes of sealing documents such as this is to protect the privacy of the people being investigated. If Michael's lawyers were pushing to have the documents unsealed, it would seem that would make it more difficult for them to argue that the investigation is infringing upon their privacy or Terri's. Further, while having to conduct the investigation publicly may make some people more succeptible to pressure not to rock the boat, it would also make them more succeptible to pressure from Terri's Angels to tell the truth and not cover things up.
My personal suspicion is that Greer's decision was grossly illegal but may end up benefitting Terri.
You're right. I read it so fast that I didn't remember that part. Hopefully if Greer has tried to intimidate them in past years, he won't be doing it now.
Yippy~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was so happy to read all the items being investigated. Not the details *they weren't there*, but the topics were listed.
What outsiders?
And you believe in euthanasia for awake, aware people?
Her parents are getting their legal help pro-bono.
Michael spent money he promised a jury in the malpractice suit would be used to treat and rehabilitate her instead on high-powered, pro-Euthanasia lawyers to try to legally kill Terri. And you know, you have a real point there...Michael was wrong to spend that money to kill her, instead of the way he promised - to help her.
Not to mention, it was very naughty of Michael to suddenly remember, after the 1.5 mil was paid to him that, oh yeah, uh, guess what, Terri once said she wouldn't want to live this way. Funny thing, though, even the likes of Michael Schiavo didn't dare tell Judge Greer that Terri had meant to ask that she be slowly, painfully, starved and dehydrated to death.
Yeah, even Michael and Greer have their limits on what utterly outrageous claims they will make!
Yes, but Terri may not want to die!! Is it not possible that she has struggled to live because she has a huge desire to live? Maybe she's not in the mood to be murdered. Me, either.
Don't pull that bogus argument about money being put to better use. The $$ that was awarded was for Terri's rehab, which she has ben denied for a dozen years.
Besides, the 'useless eater' ideology is the same one that the Nazis perpetrated on the disabled and mentally retarded before they made their way to the Jews. Wasn't it called the T-4 euthanasia programme?
So much for you being against socialist values like you state on your profile page. Don't buy into the lies that the left have been regurgitating all these years.
If Terri were dying, one could argue she has the right to die. In fact, she is young and not currently in danger of dying from anything but starvation. Food and water is human sustenance, not extraordinary care. She is not brain dead, or in a coma as has been erroneously reported. She is conscious, she recognizes and loves her family; she recognizes and fears her husband-in-name-only. Her fear of him, and her fight to live the last time they tried to starve her should indicate her preference. She has deliberately been denied the most decent of environments, has been denied all therapy, and has been restricted from contact with those who love her, and would happily take care of her. She left no living will. That should mean she gets a right to live card, except the husband, the judge, and the attorney have another agenda. She is just a pawn in a larger and grimmer game.
Yeah this is all the husbands fault because some won't let him move on with his life and would rather tie up the courts with litigation and waste money.
I was put in a similar situation in 1989 with my former wife. She was nearly killed in an accident while driving drunk. I ended up divorcing her and getting custody of my 3 young sons who were 4, 6, 8. Had I stayed married to her I would have been held responsible for the 1 million dollar medical bill. She never fully recovered but was turned loose on society as a disabled dependent. You don't know misery until you experience that type of experience.
You don't know misery and what kind of decisions you may be faced with. And to have to worry about being second guessed about decisions at a time of multiple distractions is absolutely not foremost on ones mind.
You people say what you want........ there are some things you have no business interfering with. I don't care what your emotions are.
Supercat,
Please bear with me here and be patient. How do you know Greer plans to release anymore than he already has..ie ..the 11page doc, we've already read.
Do you serious think the whole deal will be released? If so, why do you think so? Sorry it's late and maybe I'm missing something. Please tell me more.
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