Hillary Actively Working, Seeking Staff For 2008 Presidential Run Now / All Denials Are Lies

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[strategofr]

More like cancer, in my opinion. Fatal, if not defeated.

[Badray]

For a minute there I though that you might be my sister until you mentioned in a later post that 'dad' ran for congress. The only thing that our dad ran for was the bus and the bar. ;-)

No, I wouldn't say that you are a RINO, but I am puzzled by the pro abort stance in the first trimester. That is between you and God. I disagree totally with you on that issue. I don't believe that you have the right to kill a baby -- with this exception only. If the mother's life is endangered, not inconvenienced, but in danger of dying or facing serious physical impairment. At that point the mother's life takes precedence.

Since this issue is usually so personal, I understand if you would not want to debate it. FReepmail if you choose or we can leave it right here.

PS -- And not only was that bus was gone when I got to the station, so was the station. Thanks for a good chat.

[strategofr]

Hillary is quite different from Bill. Bill is a self-seeking, ambitious, corrupt man who was willing to weaknen the US gov't and sellout to the Communist Chinese to gain power.

Hillary is, in my opinion, a card carrying Communist. There is a difference.

Some people did not "survive" Bill, notably Vince Foster, Ron Brown, and about 50 others, according to James Dale Davidson, founder of the (conservative) National Taxpayer's Union who (mistakenly)supported Clinton in 1992 (p. 100, Hillary's Secret War, by Poe):

"'I am convinced that Foster is not alone in meeting an untimely death in recent years,' wrote Davidson in his newsletter in October 1997. 'He is probably just one of 50 or moer who have been murdered for various reasons during the Clinton Administration.'"

The body count for Hillary, if elected, could be much higher.

[Ruth A.]

Oh, I don't doubt that's the plan. They, however, didn't count on September 11th. Nor did they factor in GWB. Nor did they factor in spreading democracy under GWB. For the cherry on top, they didn't even dream of Condi in Europe and on front pages. The claim that Hillary is the "smartest woman in America" brings guffaws now. I would imagine that Condi's thesis is available and erudite.

[Ruth A.]

I think they are trying to take more credit than they deserve. This past election was the first time the bloggers cut their teeth. The Swifties and others did more to influence the election than FR was able to do alone against BJ's 2nd term. The Clinton's will find that "bimbo eruptions" are much easier to contain, than the blogger Minute Men. That's they way I see it and, if I am correct in my usage, props to Peggy Noonan for helping me see it as such.

[Badray]

The body count is made up primarily of clinton friends and associates, some of whom had too much info and were a threat.

The nation suffered, but survived. The biggest thing was that we didn't hide from it. We faced up to the corruption and screamed bloody murder. With Bush, because he is not percieved to be a threat or a bad guy, even when he does bad things his supporters do not want to say that he did anything wrong.

Clinton, because he was only interested in popularity, actually signed into law some good legislation. He may not be the worst president ever, even if he was the worst man to ever be president.

Everyone can put the flame throwers away. I'm not saying that he was a good president, only that he succumbed to pressure and did do good things. And I'm not saying that Bush is bad, only that he has done some harmful things.

[T. Jefferson]

Who cares if she runs, she's all media hype and no actual following. Even women despise her, after all, she's more masculine than most liberal men. In the debates Kerry will wipe the floor with her. She's incapable of speaking a spontaneous coherent thought, and as convincing as a carnival barker.

[capydick]

Hillary's first night as President:

Hillary Clinton gets elected President and is spending her first night in the White House. She has waited so long.....

The ghost of George Washington appears, and Hillary says, "How can I best serve my country?"

Washington says, "Never tell a lie."

"Ouch! says Hillary, I don't know about that."

The next night, the ghost of Thomas Jefferson appears...

Hillary says, "How can I best serve my country?"

Jefferson says, "Listen to the people."

"Ohhh! I really don't want to do that."

On the third night, the ghost of Abe Lincoln appears...

Hillary says, "How can I best serve my country?"

Lincoln says, "Go to the theater."

[retrokitten]

I really liked the book, too. This next presidential election cycle is going to be brutal and I have a feeling we are going see things around FR and the (conservative) web that we have never seen before.

[Doogle]

....I can hear it now.

"mew, mew, mew their picking on me"

..if she thought it was "vast" before...wait!!


Doogle

[strategofr]

We're on the same wavelength, kitten. Partly because we read that book (isn't it unreal that his name happens to be "Poe"? Shades of the Pit and the Pendulum! I'd reference the Poe story of the "beating heart", but in this case, I'm afraid our villain isn't familiar with the sound---not having one herself!

And now, in case your thoughts haven't been made grim enough by Hillary's Secret War (HSW), I've updated the analysis to cover the 2004 election. Consider this. The Swift Boat Vets got started, with much difficulty and great help from FR in general and one freeper in particular.

Then what happened? What was the key step, remember? TV stations started playing the Swift Boat ads as news stories! That's exactly what did not happen with Vince Foster and Ron Brown. But did happen with Monica, as Poe implies was actually a distraction from Ron Brown.

Now, lets assume Poe's assumption is right, but stretch it a bit. Let's say Hillary still controlled the media in 2003-4. How could that be, she's not teh President's wife?

Well lets just suppose there are some very bad people somewhere in the world, and Hillary has been devoted to them her whole life, and she and her husband spent some time there together years ago, and lets suppose that now that she's proven herself pretty well, and apparently learned her morality from Saul Alinksy (HSW, p. 61) who learned his from Stalin. So she can still have that power, because these bad people give it to her.

And let's suppose that Hillary didn't want Kerry to win cause it would screw her up for 2008. She could very well have assessed in 2003 that 2008 would be her best chance, after a Kerry loss. So, she could have given the Media the green light. And if not, why did they do it?

However, grim as this is, I believe I have fashioned a winning underground tactic for 2008. Remember when people similar to the Swift Boat people (maybe it was them) had a movie they kept trying to show, an anti-Kerry after Vietnam deal? It almost got on TV, but was blocked?

OK, here's the idea. We conservatives (many of us) are word people. So we have the Net, we have talk radio. Where we need to break into is TV-movie type media. Where we can't get.

The answer: DVDs! DVDs cost pennies apiece to manufacture---once you shoot the film or video. And video quality is advancing quite rapidly, video is being used for various DVDs now, it comes out pretty well. You shoot on a digital camera and edit on a juiced-up PC with nearly pro-type software. You can make pretty good stuff! And produce 10 million DVDs (after production is paid for) for maybe $1 or $2 million! We could mail almost as many as AOL (proof of my info of how cheap it is to manufacture discs---look how AOL throws them away. They may be cheaper than a four-color flyer.)

[strategofr]

The real body count from Bill Clinton's is much higher, and will probably be fully tabulated in the future as the result of a military conflict between the US and China.

from Hillary's Secret War, by Richard Poe, p. 160:

"When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, China presented little threat to the United States. Chinese missiles 'couldn't hit the side of a barn,' notes Timothy W. Maier of Insight magazine. Few could reach North America and those that made it would likely miss their targets. Chinese missiles often exploded on take-off.

"Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads. They likely have suitcase nukes as well. These enable China to strike by proxy---equipping nuclear-armed terrorists to do their dirty work, while the Chinese play innocent.

"...How did China catch up so fast? Easy. We sold them all the technology they needed---or handed it over for free. Neither neglect or carelessness are to blame. Bill Clinton did it on purpose.

"Throughout the Cold War, American law forbade the export of high technology to potentially hostile countries such as China. Bill Clinton changed that."

[strategofr]

Well, its not, in my opinion, that Hillary is smart. I agree with you there. But I believe her advisors will be top notch & the Media protection more complete than it was for Kerry (see my other post below.)

So I anticpate a very bad fight to stop Hillary, I hate to say.

[freekitty]

Does Hitlery have a thyroid problem?

[strategofr]

I don't understand what you are saying, Ruth, but I want to.

"I think they are trying to take more credit than they deserve."

Who is "they"

"This past election was the first time the bloggers cut their teeth. The Swifties and others did more to influence the election than FR was able to do alone against BJ's 2nd term."

OK, so you feel the bloggers will be more powerful in 2008. I agree. But lets consider our enemy here. Communists, basically. And what is their biggest strength? Subversion. Ergo, Free Republic is by definition, in for an attempt at subversion. So the game gets complicated and the winner is, in my opinion, uncertain. Also, see my reply to retrokitten about Swifties in 2004.


"The Clinton's will find that "bimbo eruptions" are much easier to contain, than the blogger Minute Men. That's they way I see it and, if I am correct in my usage, props to Peggy Noonan for helping me see it as such."

Unfortunately, Poe (Hillary's Secret War) sees Monicagate as essentially something the Clinton's allowed to hit the media---as a distraction from Ron Brown's murder (p. 170-1)

Still, I don't want to sound discouraged or discouraging. I believe we'll win, but only because we'll fight like hell, and I think it will be close.

[Ruth A.]

sKerry was an unattractive candidate and even with Botox, plastic surgery and voice training (which she will need) the Hillary will still be unattractive with LOTS of baggage. I have no doubt that they will fight dirty, but our people are getting experience.

I think hindsight says that she would have had a better chance right after Slick Willy or the first run against Pres. GWB. September 11th, the GWOT and 43 were all factors they did not foresee and cannot control.

[strategofr]

To paraphrase Ann Coulter in her 2005 speech at CPAC, Big Media still has overwhelming power to set the agenda. And I agree, even though an awesome conterweight has been built up in a short time, thanks in part to the people of Free Republic.

[A CA Guy]

The mainstream media are not trusted and are rarely listened to anymore.

Paper purchases are near bankrupting levels. Viewers to TV news by main channels are way down.

Most people get their news straight from the net, or cable news, which means the liberals are losing and will lose big no matter how big a staff they try and shaft us with.

[purpleland]

Why is it news for any Republican to be smeared? Didn't they do that to our now second term President George W. Bush? Of course, hilleree will have all the MSM quote bytes (yes, it is bytes) but...everyone knows hillereee by now. She may preach to her choir but...the rest of us know better. She cannot escape responding to questions that have not been scripted. She will lose her temper and she will scream, cackle, shrill and yell. She will put her foot in her mouth like she has done other times. She's NOT the do all be all. She's JUST NOT. She was a first lady and then a Senator. Big deal. She is NOT Presidential material no more than screamin' Dean was or Pompous kerry was. No way. No how. They should run Liberman if they want a REAL candidate.

*Hillary's shill is more of a rabid bite than byte. I agree with you about Joe Lieberman who with Zell Miller seem to be the last true Democrats of integrity standing.

I am aghast at the unrelenting maniacal hatred emiting from Democrat party members as well as from the exploitive Black "leadership." The disloyal opposition cannnot justify their perverse tactics of demonizaton and defamation. The blasted MSM give space to their radicalism.

[cubreporter]

The Democratic party is no longer the Democrtic party of my parents. They are hateful, vengeful and all they can think of is power. They are really a bad part of our system and they are going down hill. Cant' be fast enough for me.