Study: Native Americans Weren't The First

The Discovery Channel ^ | 9-6-2004 | Jennifer Viegas

[blam]

"However, it is difficult to trace their point of origin as people 10,000 or 20,000 years ago did not look like their modern counterparts in many parts of the world, including Africa, Europe, and China."

This is an important statement. In Dr Stephen Oppenheimer's book, Out Of Eden, he statest that the oldest (Undisputed) Mongoloid skeleton is only 10,000 year old.

IMO, the Caucasians and Mongoloids both descended from an Asian group known as the Jomon - Ainu. (and, probably looked like Kennewick Man, etc)

[msnimje]

Actually, if they were here first they were indeed "Native Americans"

[blam]

GGG Ping.

An article we missed last year.

[blam]

"Actually, if they were here first they were indeed "Native Americans""

I prefer to call them paleo-Americans and paleo-Indians.

[opinionator]

Even that would be a misnomer. Why don't we just call them the 'first immigrants'.

[ModelBreaker]

Actually, if they were here first they were indeed "Native Americans"

Genocide, perhaps?

[Argus]

The guy in the picture looks a lot like Patrick Stewart.

[Unam Sanctam]

Until there is substantial evidence to the contrary, I'm sticking to the Clovis first theory.

[pissant]

Shhhh. Don't tell Ward Churchill.

[Cornpone]

I thought the Ainu were a Caucasoid race that lived in the mountains of Japan until they were exterminated...

[Bahbah]

They became extinct during the 18th century

They were around that long?

[Phsstpok]

Actually, if they were here first they were indeed "Native Americans"

Well, no, not really.

those who happened to get here "first," whatever the hell that means in the long run, were the "first Americans," but could never be "the native Americans," in that sense. Only a species that originated here could technically be called native in the way that it is popularly portrayed.

Humans have this amazing capacity for moving around and making anywhere they happen to be home. And if they fail they genrally have the courtesy to die out. Kinda cleans up the real estate questions.

Bottom line, like all of the Earth's surface, those who are born there, whenever that may happen, should be considered natives.

[yarddog]

"The guy in the picture looks a lot like Patrick Stewart"

That is exactly the same thing I thought when I saw the model.

[keithtoo]

From that mockup of a skull it looks like Patrick Stewart was the first settler in North America.

Make it so.

[AnalogReigns]

"Jomon - Ainu" -- Any relation to Japheth?

Traditionally of Noah's 3 sons, Japheth is understood the ancestor of Europeans (and Asians?), Ham of Africans (and others), and Shem of Hebrews, Arabs and other Middle-Eastern tribes.

Last I heard all caucasion men have one of only five Y chromosomes...

[blam]

"Even that would be a misnomer. Why don't we just call them the 'first immigrants'."

"Until there is substantial evidence to the contrary, I'm sticking to the Clovis first theory."

Have your way.

Immigrants From The Other Side (Clovis Is Solutrean)

[blam]

"I thought the Ainu were a Caucasoid race that lived in the mountains of Japan until they were exterminated..."

There are still about 10-50,000 still living in Japan.

[Fledermaus]

Mr. Data, set course for Rigel Five. Warp factor 4.

[Strategerist]

There are almost no pureblood Ainu left however.

[msnimje]

Well, no, not really.

Okay, if we want to be technical, any person born in America is a Native American.