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College often not worth time, money
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | Thursday, February 24, 2005 | Mike Seate

Posted on 02/24/2005 9:12:40 AM PST by Willie Green

A waitress at one of my favorite Strip District restaurants last week used one of the industry's oldest cliches. She delivered a meal and reminded me that she "really didn't do this" for a living.

Waiting tables, she explained, was simply something she was doing until a well-paying job opened up in the field she studied during six years in college.

While this is rote conversation for wait staff in places like New York and Los Angeles, where everyone with a tray of linguini in their hands is waiting for a slot on NBC's "Fear Factor," it's unusual for Pittsburgh.

Or is it?

The waitress, it turns out, spent all that time and nearly $150,000 of her family's money studying social sciences, but after graduating she became disappointed with the entry-level salary of her chosen field.

"I can make, like, twice what I'd make as a social worker waiting tables," she confided, "so I'm probably going to just stay here."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: academia; career; education; thebusheconomy; vocation; work
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To: 1stFreedom
But college is a good insurance plan, many white collar jobs require a degree -- any degree.

Yup. I quit college with 96 hours completed. Twenty years later, it doesn't matter that I can run circles around the majority of college graduates in my field. No four-year degree equals a closed door a great deal of the time. So even though I work for myself, I'm going back and will have a BS in digital forensics in about a year and a half.

MM

181 posted on 02/24/2005 10:45:13 AM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: martin gibson
dude, did you just say "dominant education modality"?

I can be pedantic if I want to. I been to college.

182 posted on 02/24/2005 10:45:31 AM PST by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: TruthConquers

No personal experience, but my four year old daughter is taking a dance class (she's a ballerina!) and here's an observation. Her class has 10 or so other munchkins in it and is affiliated with the YMCA. Class costs $120 for 8 weeks, and meets once a week. She also teaches 7 other classes of differing experience levels, each of which meets for an hour a week, same number of students. So, for a total of 8 hours of actual instruction per week, 6 class cycles per year, she pulls in close to $60K. Not bad for doing what you love. Oh and she sells the shoes and tutus too, so she gets a commission on the sales.


183 posted on 02/24/2005 10:45:35 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: DarkSavant

The artcile said she was on the 6-year program: you know, register for 4.5 classes, drop the toughest one mid-semester, on the eve of the 'drop' deadline, drop another one, repeat for each semester, then have to attend classes one summer, in order to get your valuable degree in 6 years.

I couldn't wait to get out of college when I was there 1986-1990! I think most students want to stay these days!


184 posted on 02/24/2005 10:46:26 AM PST by HitmanLV
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To: MediaMole
Putting social in front of any word negates its meaning -- Social Science, Social Work...

. . . social security . . .

185 posted on 02/24/2005 10:48:28 AM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: Semaphore Heathcliffe
"Nevermind that they might have no idea what they want to do there."

How true. Rushing someone off to college or pushing them into choosing a career at 18 that they may have to live with their entire life may not work for some people. For most it is probably good to go to college right away. For some others waiting a few years to figure out what it is you really want is the right choice too. Everyone is different. A good choice for one is a bad choice for another person.

186 posted on 02/24/2005 10:48:40 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Lil'freeper

Excellent.

BTW, what shifted me into high gear was back in the early nineties I picked up a six tape series called "The psychology of winning," by Dennis Waitley. I then followed it up with a 24 tape series by Brian Tracy (I forget the name). I still listen to the tapes as they require multiple listenings. My income increased 14 fold during this time.

The secret formula to ALL of this is:

(IA + AA) x A = PA

Where:
IA = Inborn Attributes
AA = Acquired attributes
A = Attitude
PA = Personal Achievment

You will notice that Attitude is a MULTIPLIER (if you get my drift).

This formula, applied intelligently to a persons life, is more powerful than a nuclear blast.

It literally IS the secret to success, IN ALL AREAS OF YOUR LIFE, beyond the power of the Lord in your life, of course.


187 posted on 02/24/2005 10:48:46 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: ruiner

You're right. A few years back our company tried for months to hire someone who could read blue prints. People applied and were interviewed wanting the moon simply because they had a "BS" degree.

Finally, we hired a Yale graduate who majored in Architecture and design. 90 days into the hire, we learned that he did not even know how to read blue prints, let alone know how to do a material take off from them.

Over the years we found that more often than not, the universities were churning out degreed grads the way the public schools were churning out diplomas to kids who can't read. And the universities convince the grads that once they have that "degree," they were worth their salary demands without a clue to the reality of the job world they were entering.

It was at this point we determined that the "BS" degree had more than one meaning.


188 posted on 02/24/2005 10:49:57 AM PST by tomball
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To: Willie Green

What a loser ... SIX YEARS AT COLLEGE ... $150,000 of her family's money studying social sciences ? What a moroon!
Looks like another mindless leftist!


189 posted on 02/24/2005 10:50:45 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Willie Green

What a loser ... SIX YEARS AT COLLEGE ... $150,000 of her family's money studying social sciences ? What a moroon!
Looks like another mindless leftist!


190 posted on 02/24/2005 10:51:03 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: StoneColdGOP

Useless degree ping.


191 posted on 02/24/2005 10:51:19 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: RexBeach
Yes, Chernow's book was good. He's an example of a good non Ph.D. historian.

I felt him a little too hard on TJ. 'Tis my only complaint. I review history books for my museum so I read 3 a week, mostly on my time not theirs.

To you and other posters, I'd continue by saying that many of the professors are overrated. I think I could write a good book in a year or two w/o a Ph.D. but its easier to get published with the university system.

I do promise all of you on FR that one day when I write books people will want to READ them not use them as doorstops.

I have a suspicion that when I get to the ivory tower folks that they will cringe when I plan to do a dissertation NOT on gender or racial studies.

Again that's why I love museum work. I get to work with real people and talk to real people about my love for history and not be shut up in a corner in some college castle hiding from the so called "unwashed masses". Every day I talk to the public I am encouraged by the many conservative museum visitors that are SELF TAUGHT and are patriotic and knowledgeable about our nation's past.

YH
192 posted on 02/24/2005 10:51:50 AM PST by yankhater (I Hate Liberal Dirty T-Shirt Backpacker Grad Students)
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To: Willie Green

150k for a worthless degree???? WHAT AN IDIOT! I wouldn't hire her for anything after showing that stupidity.

She showed no respect for her parents money by spending 150k on an education that if she was the best of the best in her field would likely top out around 75kish.

This shows poor planning for her own LIFE! If she plans that poorly for her own life, I don't want her involved in planning anything regarding my business.


193 posted on 02/24/2005 10:53:04 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: keats5; sinkspur
"My 16 year old son wants to be a cop. Any advice, FReepers?

I recently read that Sinkspur has two sons that are police officers. He might have some for you.

194 posted on 02/24/2005 10:55:27 AM PST by Artist
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To: Mugwump

I sing a lot of Bach, Purcell, Handel.... I was an early music major as an undergrad...

plus my latest recital featured the Seven Spanish Songs of de Falla...


195 posted on 02/24/2005 10:59:04 AM PST by Conservatrix (He who stands for nothing will fall for anything.)
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To: yankhater

Harry Truman was one of those self-taught history students.

I think he used to say "the only thing new in the world is the history you DON'T know." Mr. Truman loved history.

Well, wherever you work, it seems they are lucky to have you! Good for you!


196 posted on 02/24/2005 11:00:14 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: Names Ash Housewares
College is NOT the only way.
197 posted on 02/24/2005 11:00:24 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: TankerKC
Like, really?

Totally!

198 posted on 02/24/2005 11:00:26 AM PST by whd23
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To: Conservatrix

I prayed for you. Kudos for what you have done. May you be able to get something that would help support your kids and may your DH be well again.


199 posted on 02/24/2005 11:02:08 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: tomball

So true. I admit that my college ed didn't prepare me 100% for an entry level job, but that was mainly my fault. I do give credit to the program I was in, however, because the education focused on research rather than job skills (so its not like they didn't teach us anything).


200 posted on 02/24/2005 11:02:08 AM PST by ruiner
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