Posted on 02/23/2005 1:31:32 PM PST by jent
The Pope is a man, nothing more.
Allah is NOT I AM.
People argue endlessly about a being they have neither seen nor strongly desire to see.
People argue endlessly about a being they have neither seen nor strongly desire to see."
What people would that be?
One does need to be cautious about expressing angry wishes to God against people, for drastic action. Remember Satan is in there too and if it is not a godly wish, Satan can ask God for permission to act and sometimes God grants that permission. It might not technically be "sorcery" but it comes close.
It looks like the Pope sees the road to Christ as beginning in morality and a belief in a creator. The intent seems to be that, with the Pope's blessings, and with the picture, however distorted, that they have of God, some of these Muslims sooner or later would come to believe in Jesus Christ, in the next world if not this one (i.e. in a purgatory). It actually isn't too far from some of C. S. Lewis's speculations about conversions that take place "under the cloud." Now whether this is credible is another story. The way many (not all) Muslims carry on seems to imply that they have cast the devil as their god.
Jent, you're an example of catholicism where everything turned out great.
One does need to be cautious about expressing angry wishes to God against people, for drastic action. Remember Satan is in there too and if it is not a godly wish, Satan can ask God for permission to act and sometimes God grants that permission. It might not technically be "sorcery" but it comes close.
Excellent point HiTech, thank you! I'll remember that before I do that again. Truly freaked me out. As I said, I felt like a 2 year old with a loaded gun. Can't do that lightly.
lol dzz, thank you I think...
(grin...while vainly attempting to hide my flaws)
Add to you list: "Its God BLESS America, not GOD-LESS America" (and) "its "liberty and Justice for all", not "libertine injustice" for all"
Great additions! (unfortunately) Thanks
The term "Christendom" has been used to describe the plethora of denominations claiming to be Christian without keeping the simplicity described by St. Paul in the first Corinthian letter Chapter 1: "21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, 24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." He was indicating that the message of redemption was so simple as to seem foolish to educated men of the time. Christianity is the movement started by the Apostles which holds to the Word of God, which declares that all believers in and of God's Word are priests,that Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ) is the only Way to be saved; and which worships Him regardless of the names men have hung on various assemblies of Christians. Thus the leader of the former is not the leader of the latter because only the Messiah can be the leader of Christianity, and He does not dwell in the Vatican. The term Christendom was coined at a time when only the Roman Church was considered to be Christian. Christendom was the instigator of the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the persecution of the Jews. Christianity has its roots in Judaism, and the first Christians were all Jews. There are many today who are both Christian and Jewish. And there are many groups within Christendom who preach a message incompatible with God's Word. Once again citing Saint Paul, in Galatians 1:8 he said: "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!" My wife who was born Roman Catholic, baptized Roman Catholic, grew up in a Roman Catholic home, attended Parochial schools for twelve years, and was married in a Nuptial Mass, left Catholicism when she was told by a priest that she should stop reading the Bible because it was making her ask too many questions. We both believe in the dichotomy Christendom/Christianity. And we choose Christianity.
Hey, I'm the new guy who doesn't understand half of the shorthand used here, and can't figure out where to find the glossary. What do I know about starting anything? But I'm willing to write letters to the hired hands in Washington, but only if you folks will keep reminding them that they ARE the hired hands. I am on record with the establishment as saying that it is time for another tea party.
thanks soldier, when you wrote "was indicating that the message of redemption was so simple as to seem foolish to educated men of the time." I see that as so true.
Lifelongsoldier, the textbook was predominantly written from the Muslim standpoint, any idea why they refused to call Catholics "Catholics" in the textbook? They taught about Catholicism but it was weird, refused to call them Catholics, rather Christians.
I kept trying to figure out why...wonder if it's because the Koran curses Christians, but doesn't use the word Catholic?
Jen,
There are many major religions who have one commonality, the need to balance your bad actions with good ones. Islam, Rabbinic Judiasm, Roman Catholicism, most of the Eastern religions, usw. Possibly that commonality is the reason that textbooks biased toward Islam would not name any particular group but would lump them all under Christianity. But who knows what goes on in the mind of a Muslim radical?
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