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To: eeevil conservative
no one there my but! Her name is Terri. She smiles, she cries, she laughs she even gets ticked if they turn the radio off. She has GIANED vocabulary even though he denies her therapy.

And you've seen these things; witnessed them with your own eyes? Seen them in person? Or have you been told these things? Or have you witnessed heavily edited tapes? Let me guess.

Not so long ago a few of the more adamant and prolific posters to these threads, claimed that Terri was actively communication with nursing staff through eye-blinks and eye-shifting. They announced that they had sworn witnesses and further that these witnessed were going to come forward in the very near future.

Never ever happened. No eye-communication whatsoever. No blinking. No rapid eye shifting. Nothing. Further, there were no witnesses nor experts willing to testify to this miracle. Nothing. Yet the Terri advocates brow beat, belittled and berated those who would question their "facts".

Nothing has changed.

94 posted on 02/22/2005 12:28:14 PM PST by daylate-dollarshort (s/v Musashi I)
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To: daylate-dollarshort

"Or have you witnessed heavily edited tapes? "

And you have proof of this?


97 posted on 02/22/2005 12:34:36 PM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: daylate-dollarshort

You are the one that doesn't know the facts....

I have spent the last 5 days researching and posting on them on at my blog--- you have been given the links to the other places that do provide affidavits of people, You are the one that has NOT done your homework..

I can't be responsible for what anyone else says or posts here..... In fact- I have seen things here that I would never consider credible, so I understand you asking...

But I certainly would want to be doing some research and homework BEFORE I ever aligned myself with supporting a cheating husband the right to starve his wife to death.

If my 4 yr old daughter were in the EXACT situation- I would be crucified by the media.

Imagine me begging the courts to give me $$$$$ so I could get her the therapy and care she needed, and then the day I get the check- I stop all therapy to her.... Then suddenly I get some religion that says "Hmmmmm, I don't believe in life support, stop feeding her...."

If food is considered life support, I wonder how many parents in prison for starving and neglecting to feed their kids will be lining up in courts for appeals.....


99 posted on 02/22/2005 12:38:08 PM PST by eeevil conservative (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for a good man to do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
No eye-communication whatsoever. No blinking. No rapid eye shifting. Nothing. Further, there were no witnesses nor experts willing to testify to this miracle. Nothing. Yet the Terri advocates brow beat, belittled and berated those who would question their "facts".

You need to read more.

1 My name is Alexander T. Gimon, Ph.D. I am over the age of eighteen years of age. I am engaged in the private practice of clinical neuropsychology, and have been so continuously since 1983. I work with patients, both brain injured and general populations.

2.I took my Ph.D. from Yeshiva University in 1973 and had a fellowship from NIMH and a Clinical & Research Internship. As a Ph.D. candidate, I worked as a Senior Research Associate at Harvard University’s Research Institute for Educational Problems and have had other extensive experience in special education and various facets of the practice of psychology. My full curriculum vitae is attached.

3 Clinical neuropsychology is a specialty profession that focuses on brain functioning. A clinical neuropsychologist is a licensed psychologist with expertise in how behavior and skills are related to brain structures and systems. In clinical neuropsychology, brain function is evaluated by the measurement of specific behavioral markers through standardized testing and careful observation.

4.In my practice, I work with many brain injured patients, and I am familiar with states of impairment known as coma, coma-like, minimally conscious and persistent vegetative state. As a part of my professional practice, I evaluate the brain function of patients whose differential diagnosis include such conditions. During my career as a clinical neuropsychologist , I have personally evaluated approximately eleven patients with a clinical profile similar to that of Terri Schiavo.

5.I have not physically examined Terri Schiavo; however, I have studied the video clips presented at the October 2002 Medical Evidentiary Hearing. The observations that follow are all within the parameters of the profession of clinical neuropsychology, and are similar to the observations that I am called upon to make regularly in the course of evaluating patients as a clinical neuropsychologist. All conclusions are based on standards used in the clinical neuropsychology profession in the evaluation and treatment of patients such as Theresa Schiavo.

6.Based on my experience and my observations, Mrs. Schiavo is clearly able to respond cognitively to environmental stimulii. She interacts verbally and motorically with her mother and with doctors giving verbal instructions. It is clear on its face that she has brain matter for these functions, but has been deprived of appropriate therapy and stimulation. This is documented in the following behaviors noted in the following video segments:

H 01 (Examination of Dr. Hammesfahr 9/3/02) - This segment begins with Terri’s mother entering the room and addressing Terri. Terri’s face goes from no expression, which is her typical baseline in the absence of specific stimulii, to a smile with turned-up corners and eyes opening wider. With the smile she made a sound from the throat and slightly closed lips. Her expression at that point is indicative of recognition of her mother and a vocalization which appears to be specific to her mother. Her eyes focused on her mother’s face with eye contact with her. This is indicative of cognitive recognition with an appropriate vocal expressive gesture.

H 02 In this sequence Terri’s mother told Terri she was going to play music. The volume had been left on high, and when the music began it caused a startle response. Later Terri laughs during the music, but it is not clear whether it is in recognition of the song or is prompted by her mother’s voic

H 03 Manipulation of Terri’s left arm. Terri responded to the doctor through eye focusing and turning her head toward the massage and stretching. She was able to hold the focus for an extended period of time, which indicates interaction and involvement with both the therapist and the therapy, as well as the ability to direct and hold her attention for a substantial period of time.

H 04 Facial and head response to arm stimulation. When raised even with her head, Terri gave a slight grimace of pain. This indicates sensorium between her conscious mind and that extremity. If the only reaction involved the extremity which was the source of the pain, it could be argued that this was a reflex, but reacting through facial expression necessarily involves the conscious mind.

It goes on here: Dr Alex Gammon

And here: Dr William Hammesfahr

And here: Dr Jacob Gteene

And here: Dr William Russell

And here: Dr Richard Neubauer

And here: Dr Fred Webber

109 posted on 02/22/2005 1:11:20 PM PST by DJ MacWoW ("Are you cops? FBI" bad guy, "I'm currently unemployed" Tony Almeida of 24)
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To: daylate-dollarshort

Thank you very much for your post. By posting on this Terri thread, you are bumping it to the top, where many more people who will help us, will see it! :o)


201 posted on 02/22/2005 9:06:26 PM PST by Lauren BaRecall (Blue state address, red state soul.)
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