Smokers asked to cough up taxes for Web buys

CNET News.com ^ | February 18, 2005, 3:31 PM PST | Alorie Gilbert

[gidget7]

"There is a company in sales tax free NH that advertises IN MASSACHUSETTS to come and buy in tax free NH.The Bay State allows that ad,though,and then wants people to declare the taxes on their DOR form. "




What I don't understand about this, is, if you can legally go to NH and buy ciggs, which I know you can, as long as you don't buy over 60 cartons, why isn't it the same for online?? It makes no sense!

I could make a suggestions to these online dealers, but wouldn't post it in a forum, no telling who is trolling. However we can send to relatives in other states, just get them for them and mail them. That is an option for someone who has friends or relatives who live in low tax areas.

[Raycpa]

You continue to obfuscate rather than back up your claim.

What claim ? The one where you said a legal tax that goes back to the beginning of the country, and is applied as a tax on the purchase just like the tax you support is bogus and I disagreed ? That claim ??

[TheOracleAtLilac]

My personal experience/observations (fm: Calif):
The Euro cig sites (mainly Russia & Switzerland) are permanently "outta da game"
Indian smoke shops are no deal once S&H is added.
Most viable 2 choices: quit or roll yer own

[Raycpa]

Whattamatta? Afraid you'll lose business if tax laws are dramatically curtailed and the burden of excessive taxation removed from our backs?

The one thing about tax service's revenue is that all changes bring new revenue. Without change business would be slow and boring.

[Raycpa]

If any American dared to get upset about cigarette smoke, they obtained a DOUBLE DOSE of my second-hand smoke right in their face.

And smokers wonder why the nonsmokers keep tightening the noose.

[MamaTexan]

A contract between the people and the government which is cancelable only by the people.

Close, but no cee-gar.

It is a contract between the sovereign political subdivisions known as states and the centralized government sanctioned by the people.

The ONLY part of the Constitution that has anything to do with the people is the Bill of Rights, and that only enumerates a FEW of the rights that already exist.

It's WHY there was such disagreement on including the BOR to begin with.

Christianity is part of the Common, or Natural Law. Therefore it is Christianity that is the basis of our government. Religion of any other type is not synonymous with the American experience of Liberty!"

God . . . is the promulgator as well as the author of natural law.
Justice James Wilson, a signer of the Declaration, the Constitution, Original Justice on the U. S. Supreme Court, and the father of the first organized legal training in America.

"It is the duty as well as the privilege and interest for our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians to be their representatives, as this is a Christian republic -
Justice John Jay, Supreme Court Justice

I'll leave you with a quote taken from one of the writings used by the Founders to construct our government;

Of the Simplicity of Criminal Laws in different Governments

In republican governments, men are all equal; equal they are also in despotic governments: in the former, because they are everything; in the latter, because they are nothing.

THE SPIRIT OF LAWS Book VI By Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu

You wouldn't know a REPUBLIC if it jumped up[ & bit you on the butt!

[Chef Dajuan]

For those ones who can't take care of themselves we have things called FAMILIES and PRIVATE CHARITIES/CHURCHES/SOUP KITCHENS/SALLY'S.

They have no right to the fruit of MY labors unless I decide to give to them out of the goodness of my heart.

http://jbs.org

[Hunble]

Personally, my wife and I manufacture cigarettes and make a large profit selling them to people in other states.

I love these new high-tax cigarette laws, since they only increase my profits!

Just like alcohol during the prohibition years, American citizens will continue to purchase the products that they desire. All the government can do, is increase the profits for the people willing to provide these products to the American public.

The higher the risk, the larger the profits!'

Please, oh please, make all cigarettes in America illegal!

[Raycpa]

How about just a flat income tax of 5% for everyone?

That would work to eliminate tax planning but not enough to fund our current beast. I personally believe that 5-6% is about the max that people would pay without taking serious steps to avoid it. If it were ever passed I'd be able to make tons of money helping clients invest and make their business more profitable. It would be great.

[Chef Dajuan]

That's the idea, to starve the current beast.

Sort of like the citizens being lil' Jenny Craigs

http://jbs.org

[Raycpa]

You seem to miss the fact that each state is a sovereign entity. I told you you didn't understand our government.

[TheOracleAtLilac]

sooner or later, the states will get together & collect sales tax on internet transactions.
read this
>or this

[TheForceOfOne]

Most viable 2 choices: quit or roll yer own.

Well that's just great until the next politically incorrect product comes along that we can all demonize, make you feel bad for it so you don't fight back, tax the hell out of it, never mention banning it because that would kill the purpose of demonizing it, and spend it on everything else but what it was taxed from. Politicians ride every bandwagon the can to justify taken your money from you and it they are slick enough doing it you applaud them all the way to the poor farm. This is not a train that will stop, with momentum it is only a matter of time before they step on your toes and you scream and everyone else will say so what why do I care and you get hammered and start to understand. Fatty foods, alcohol, etc.. only a matter of time before it is triple in cost. I choose not to ride this train.

[Raycpa]

But the beast buys his food first and gives us the bill second.

[Raycpa]

Well that's just great until the next politically incorrect product comes along that we can all demonize,

The tax on freon was an example of such a successful tax.

[Gumption]

Thanks for that link. I left a couple e-mail messages around to see if they get back to me. But I was hoping for more of a personal recommendation of a specific site. I miss cheap smokes.

[Zon]

What claim ? The one where you said a legal tax that goes back to the beginning of the country, and is applied as a tax on the purchase just like the tax you support is bogus and I disagreed ? That claim ??

You dishonestly assert that I made a claim when in fact it was you that made a claim. Apparently you don't care that you further discredit yourself. That's sad.

You know exactly the claim you made. Because I keep reminding you that you made it. Here it is again and ay particular attention to the blue text because that is the claim you made.

Raycpa wrote: We either have laws we follow or we have anarchy.12

Zon wrote: How is it that people increasingly prospered as did society prior to last years new laws or new laws created decades ago? How is it that anarchy didn't ensue over the last hundred years -- save for prohibition? How is it that we don't have anarchy right now without next year's new laws or new laws yet to be created five, ten or fifteen years in the future?25

Raycpa wrote:  I assume you circuling back to arguments that I previously destroyed 73

Zon wrote: Please repost your response that you claim you destroyed my arguments.82

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"Didn't Canada actually lower their cigarette taxes some because of the huge and growing black market?"

Yes, however they've crept back up since then, mostly because the gov't has successfully put a stop to the tobacco companies exporting more Canadian smokes to the US than can be sold there, then selling them (to smugglers) in the full knowledge that there were going to be smuggled back into Canada.

OTOH, city, state and federal gov'ts in the US have jacked up the taxes on smokes so high in some areas that cigarettes are actually cheaper here now that in some of those places. I paid CDN$8.75 for a pack of 25 (as they're usually sold here) yesterday. That would equate to roughly USD$5.83 for a pack of 20 (as they're usually sold in the US). I guess that doesn't really make me feel much better, but it should upset Americans who are now paying more for smokes than a notoriously "socialist" country like Canada.

[Madame Dufarge]

"For many years the House increased its size as the nation’s population grew, but in 1911 the number of representatives was fixed at 435

This is one of my pet peeves.

We might just as well have the one representative, rather than continuing the fiction that we're adequately represented by 435 people.

[TheForceOfOne]

A lot of nonsmokers are hypocrites, fat pig sitting next to me on a park bench and can barely breath from the stress on his heart trying to pump blood through that carcass and has the nerve to tell me the smoke bothers him.