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'Minutemen' to Patrol Arizona Border
AP on Yahoo! ^ | February 21st, 2005 | Lara Jakes Jordan

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:38:55 AM PST by ajolympian2004

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To: Dane
Sounds to me that the Berlin Wall, Israeli Security Fence, and the Korean DMZ all served or serving a different purpose. Good or bad. So its like comparing apples and oranges

Comparing or border situation to the Berlin Wall is ridiculous, each having different functions.

while the US's problem are for the most part peaceful Christians looking to find a job to feed their families

Spare me. These people violate the sovereignty of our country when they enter illegally. They need to follow the rules we've laid out and not cut in line of others who are following the rules.

161 posted on 02/22/2005 4:07:21 PM PST by Missouri
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To: DoughtyOne

Do you have some sort of illusion that the coyotes and drug smugglers in these groups are unarmed? If so, why does the border patrol need to be armed? Hell-OOOO!!!


163 posted on 02/22/2005 8:38:08 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: Dane
speaking of "gibberish" in your tagline, this whole post on walls is exactly that. The fence around a military base is not to keep the soldiers IN, but the keep the bad guys OUT. The fence around a prison is to keep bad guys IN and protect those of us OUTSIDE the fence. The Fence around the Soviet bloc provided protection for nobody except the tyrants and those living on BOTH sides hated it. The fence around America would provide protection for the lawful citizens within that fence. Are you trying to say that both of THOSE are the same also?

They are NOT the same and "a militarized wall" is NOT "a militarized wall".If you can't see the difference between a living inside a prison and living OUTSIDE a prison I am not sure we're sharing the same globe....BTW, do you have a fence around your property?

164 posted on 02/22/2005 8:52:43 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: DoughtyOne
But "if anything goes wrong, God forbid, someone does injure an agent, this government is going to be turning both barrels on them and come after them with a vengeance," he said...........................They should not interact with the immigrants except to offer food, water or medical care....Gilchrist said, (my note: Why offer them anything? that is "aiding and abetting" !? Let them ROT out there..) ...they will face prosecution if they step outside the law. (And offering them aid in their illegal operations; i.e "aiding and abetting" is not "outside the law". Exccccuusussseeee me?)

WTF!!~~??

I need to write a letter to our president, vIcEnTe fOx, and ask him whose side the gubmint is really ON? Why don't they "turn both barrels" on the invaders who are injuring not ony border patrolmen but hundreds of thousands of others? This kind of attitude by "Evil Powers On high" is EXACTLY why we have a 2nd amendment. It isn't to protect us from foreign invaders, but from tyranical gubmints AT HOME."If anything goes wrong"? 1.2 million invaders a year ISN'T something "going wrong"? What are these people smoking??????

El presidente BOOSH: girlfriend to the despots of the world...

165 posted on 02/22/2005 8:58:47 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: dzzrtrock

Ho hum. Needless to say, we'll never see you rushing to the border with a weapon to repel the supposed invasion of dishwasher-infantrymen and lawn-clipper-saboteurs.


166 posted on 02/22/2005 9:02:29 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Robert Drobot

Robert, the question isn't what school I attended. The question is, have you watched the evening news in the last decade? Have you seen them spin conseervatism into the dirt at every opportunity? Have you seen our elected leaders do the same? How many conservative officials have come forward on this issue? Just about zero.

What you're setting yourself up for, is the media against you, public officials against you, the INS against you and local law enforcement officials against you.

You know what happend to Glenn Spencer down there. Do you think you're going to fair any better?

If it hasn't dawned on you by now, let me explain it to you. THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT IS LEGAL OR ILLEGAL? For you and I it is, but who's going to be enforcing the laws down there, you and I? Surely you jest.

This is the start of something big. If we come up the victims, we'll be on the right track. If the media can spin this any way possible, that the poor illegal is the victim, YOU will come off as the problem.

Selling me on your innocense isn't going to be a problem. You've got 279,999,999 more citizens out there. Sad to say, a lot of them won't believe a word you say if you win any skirmish.

Follow the illegal and report them. If the INS doesn't follow through, document it. At then end of the campaign, you guys should have literally thousands of incident reports concerning over 500,000 illegals. If 90% of those reports reveal the I.N.S. couldn't care less about the ones you reported, then you've got them by the juevos.

In case it hasn't dawned on you, that's better than them having you by the neck.


167 posted on 02/22/2005 9:26:40 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: dzzrtrock

Be sure to buy yourself plenty of stationary before you go down there fella. While you're at it invest in some stamps and some envelopes. If you go down there and shoot "anyone" you'll have a number of years to put them to good use.


168 posted on 02/22/2005 9:29:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Actually, BIG-Mouth, I fully intend to be down there. and you?????
yeah...just as I thought. Armchair "patriot"


169 posted on 02/22/2005 11:57:28 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: dzzrtrock; Cultural Jihad

Is everybody down there going to be as charming as you are?


170 posted on 02/22/2005 11:58:51 PM PST by Howlin (Free the Eason Jordan Tape!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne

If you go down there and shoot "anyone" you'll have a number of years to put them to good use.

Thank you for the tips, D1. Those same ideas were discussed in the basic peace officer academy I completed. Same kind of stuff was discussed in paralegal school. I have no idea here you are but here in the states, and particularly in Az. "Shooting anybody" is not necessarily a crime. It depends on what the "anybody" was doing at the time to get himself shot, but you knew that huh? There is no law in this country mandating that a U.S. citizen submit to murder at the hands of another, unless that "other" is a cop, backed up by his buddies. This is to say that if, while in the commission of a crime, a person puts you in reasonable fear for your life and has the immediate wherewithal to act on that real threat to your life, you have the right to cancel their ticket

171 posted on 02/23/2005 12:10:11 AM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: DoughtyOne
As part of the documentation, I would prefer a government agent, local or federal, refuse to take an illegal arrested at the border.

Now you a name, badge number, a photo of the intended transfer into government custody, and the name of the local or federal agency to include in your documentation.

You then cut a letter to the agency in question, and after fifty to one hundred letters have received no concrete action, prepare a Writ of Mandamus, include points and authorities - along with your batch of letters and related documentation, and require the court issue an order to the agency to implement the law.

If the court refuses to act, you go up the pipeline, with accompanying publicity (internet that is), bring into the public arena, by legal means and Citizen influence, the failure of the government to protect America and their failure to enforce American law.

Is America ready to step up to the task. Wait and see.

172 posted on 02/23/2005 12:56:18 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Even if the racialists are armed only with a bigoted tongue, don't expect the media to give them a pass.


173 posted on 02/23/2005 6:27:32 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Dane
JMO, a militarized wall, is a militarized wall, is a militarized wall.

Do you think that Israel's wall is a bad idea?

174 posted on 02/23/2005 10:19:25 AM PST by jmc813 (Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
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To: Dane
No I don't since it is only 72 miles long and Israel is surrounded by islamofascist fanatics who wish to blow them up, while the US's problem are for the most part peaceful Christians looking to find a job to feed their families

I thought "a militarized wall is a militarized wall".

175 posted on 02/23/2005 10:21:13 AM PST by jmc813 (Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
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To: jmc813
I thought "a militarized wall is a militarized wall"

It is, there is a difference between a border where a lot of people(islamofascists) want to blow you up, and border shared with people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful Christians, who just want to work.

176 posted on 02/23/2005 10:23:55 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane
It is, there is a difference between a border where a lot of people(islamofascists) want to blow you up, and border shared with people, the vast majority of whom are peaceful Christians, who just want to work.

But there is a difference whether the wall is intended to keep one in or out. Gotcha. (I think)

177 posted on 02/23/2005 10:28:06 AM PST by jmc813 (Fiesta in the making at the Moontower)
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To: Dane
(Dane writes) a majority of which are peaceful Christians"

Some Corrections: 1.) They are criminals, and; 2.) MOST of them are catholics, and; 3.)You are ASSuming that they are "peaceful" but 25%-30% of our jail space is taken us by these "peaceful christians". Go figger.....and; 4.) It only took 19 'peaceful' (remember, El presidente BOOSH says it is "a religion of peace") islamofascists to bring down the WTC. How many do you figure have leaked across the border with these "peaceful" "christians"?

178 posted on 02/23/2005 12:43:27 PM PST by dzzrtrock ("If you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat" (Ronaldus Magnus))
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To: Cultural Jihad

No, I won't. Sadly, so true these days.


179 posted on 02/23/2005 2:00:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: Cultural Jihad

There will be a presence of some racists. There are some on both sides. The ones on our side will be thinned out soon enough.

To the media though, "Excuse me Mr. Mexican citizen, your shoe's untied." becomes something Martin Luther King "would have fought against."


180 posted on 02/23/2005 2:04:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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