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'Minutemen' to Patrol Arizona Border
AP on Yahoo! ^ | February 21st, 2005 | Lara Jakes Jordan

Posted on 02/21/2005 2:38:55 AM PST by ajolympian2004

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To: VMI70

It depends on state law. In some states you can shoot to protect your property. In others you better have one foot in the grave, if you shoot some guy pointing a gun at you while you're resting on your pillow.

That's an exageration, but not by as much as you might think in some states.


101 posted on 02/21/2005 4:45:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: ozarkgirl
Oops, her dogs weren't illegals. They were born here or had the necessary papers.

LOL

102 posted on 02/21/2005 4:47:47 PM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Elsie

Elsie, I agree that things have gone terribly wrong. I want it stopped, and if this effort can be controlled, and it operates within legitimate guidelines, I support it. I don't want to send you down there knowing that you may wind up in prison, or worse yet shot. I don't think that is going to happen, so please don't misunderstand my point.

I'm not going to shoot someone for walking on my property. I wouldn't want them there. I'd be damned angry about it, bit I don't think of it as a capital offense. Perhaps you do. I can't sign on to that.

If that were to happen, the shooter would spend a decade or more in prision. It would be designated as racilly motivated. And although that would be fiercely debated, I'm not sure you'd prevail in a court.

I share your anger at this. I don't think it's right. But I do want to be the devil's advocate here, and try to explain that no matter how angry we are, there are some lines we should not cross.

Thanks for your comments.


103 posted on 02/21/2005 4:51:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
COOL! Will Mike Watt and the boys be playing a set from the Project: Mersh days?
104 posted on 02/21/2005 4:52:44 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: itisafreecountry

I agree with you.


105 posted on 02/21/2005 4:53:07 PM PST by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: DoughtyOne
If the Minuteman project wishes to become involved at the border, they must remain unarmed and peaceful. They cannot detain. They must work in an advisory status only.

I take you are anti-gun rights and anti-self-defense.

107 posted on 02/21/2005 5:09:43 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Cactuspete
I live in New Mexcico and I work in Arizona. I see flocks of Border Patrol vehicles running around in the mountains of central New Mexico and central Arizona. Why are they not on the border.

I'm reminded of the story about the guy who was looking for something.

A passerby asked, 'What are you looking for?'

He said, 'My watch.'

'Where did you lose it?'

'Over there.', pointing across the street to an alley.

'Why are you looking here then?'

'The light's better.'

108 posted on 02/21/2005 5:26:18 PM PST by nosofar
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To: Paul C. Jesup; DoughtyOne
I take you are anti-gun rights and anti-self-defense.

I can say for a fact that you are wrong and owe D1 an apology for levelling a charge against him without bothering to check his posting history.

I would take D1 covering my back any day of the week. You need to read what he is saying and try to think through it, instead of resorting to a knee-jerk attack.

109 posted on 02/21/2005 5:27:32 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Cultural Jihad

Why don't you debate the subject instead of trying to raise the temperature of the thread?


110 posted on 02/21/2005 5:28:29 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: VMI70
Why did not the rancher just shoot them? The property must be posted.

Because he would be arrested for doing such.

111 posted on 02/21/2005 5:29:28 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
The statement stands, while others are boiling the thread with calls for shootings.
112 posted on 02/21/2005 5:33:05 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: DoughtyOne
I share your anger at this. I don't think it's right. But I do want to be the devil's advocate here, and try to explain that no matter how angry we are, there are some lines we should not cross.

Agree 100 percent. The real fight is in Washington. The purpose of this action should be to generate political embarassment and subsequent political action on congresscritters and the Bush Admin. We hold the high ground here - the law is already on our side. We just seek to have it enforced.

However, the worst action would be to break the law regarding citizen's arrest. That will play right into the hands of those who will try time and time again to paint those opposed to illegal immigration as violent vigalante bigots. We do not want to give them that kind of ammo. So IMO what Minuteman is doing is a right-wing non-violent protest against illegal immigration and the lack of fair enforcement of such.

Is it risky? Sure. But no one is forcing these folks to participate. They appear to be willing to take the risks to take a stand and make a point. And if they adhere to the values they are stating, I applaud them and support them.

113 posted on 02/21/2005 5:34:49 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Cultural Jihad
The statement stands, while others are boiling the thread with calls for shootings.

And I will call them for such, as you can. However, please try to refrain from taking the dialogue on these threads to where it gets out of control. This is an important debate and there should be a fair hearing for both sides.

114 posted on 02/21/2005 5:35:52 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
And I am presenting the law's side regarding felonious assault and false-imprisonment, as are you.
115 posted on 02/21/2005 5:37:55 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: dirtboy; DoughtyOne
I would take D1 covering my back any day of the week. You need to read what he is saying and try to think through it, instead of resorting to a knee-jerk attack.

My post was not a 'knee-jerk attack' is was a accessment of DoughtyOne Post 2 which was:

If the Minuteman project wishes to become involved at the border, they must remain unarmed and peaceful. They cannot detain. They must work in an advisory status only.

Turth be told, I think they should be able to aprehend and detain north of the border. The fact is, the border patrol will turn on them like rabid dogs, if they do so.

This will probably get ugly. Perhaps that's a good thing. If the feds get the idea the citizens of this nation have had it, perhaps they'll get off thair fat rumps and do something about this travesty.

Course what they'd probably do is hire 10,000 new agents to guard against U.S. citizens making aprehensions. And they'd probably do it lickety split.

It sounds like that DoughtyOne agrees that things are bad and that the both the U.S. government agents and the illegals are already hurting U.S. citizens; YET, DoughtyOne also seems to think that the U.S. citizens on the border should remain unarmed and unorganized towards onslaught.

I am NOT saying what the M.M. is doing it right, but that logical accessment that the U.S. citizens are screwed either way.

116 posted on 02/21/2005 5:38:29 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Dane

Flame-baiting again, Dane?


117 posted on 02/21/2005 5:39:00 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: Dane
Would Ronald Reagan approve of the political movement described in the article. It is my opinion President Ronald Reagan would have not.

Reagan went along with an amnesty that was supposed to end this problem. It instead made it worse.

There is much to admire about Reagan. His immigration policies are not one of those things.

118 posted on 02/21/2005 5:40:49 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: dirtboy
What happened to the temperature-watching?
119 posted on 02/21/2005 5:42:09 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Cultural Jihad
What happened to the temperature-watching?

I reviewed the thread. There was one post that asked why trespassers causing vandalism weren't shot. I addressed that post. If you can find any others, please point them out. Otherwise, please try to make your points without trying to cause conflict on this thread.

120 posted on 02/21/2005 5:43:55 PM PST by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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