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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: patton

Good posts.


461 posted on 02/20/2005 7:00:44 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: k2blader
I don't. I think that the reasons that they exist are multiple, and learning is just a side-effect.

But what do I know, eh?

14 generations ago, my greatngrandfather founded Harvard.

It was be no means for "Learning."

462 posted on 02/20/2005 7:01:24 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: A Navy Vet

Well, I just hope these women who go to college to find a husband don't find Pell grants to do so, and I have to pay for their search. Let them soak their daddy for the tuition or else pay back loans for years. LOL


463 posted on 02/20/2005 7:01:47 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Judith Anne


LATER






464 posted on 02/20/2005 7:01:48 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

Ouch!


465 posted on 02/20/2005 7:02:06 PM PST by StarFan
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To: k2blader
Let me put it this way then. I think spending even $1000 to attend classes, in which you have no interest excelling or even learning, for the purpose of shopping for a spouse or partying after it is over is definitely a waste.

So how does going to college for the main goal of meeting a future husband doom a young woman to goofing off in class and not learning anything? You know, they have brains. They can look for a husband, learn a history lesson and chew gum all at the same time if they choose to do so. Do you pursue a primary goal that precludes you from ever accomplishing anything else along the way?
Say a math major takes a history class, but learning history isn't his (or her) main goal, would you assume the math major will fail history?

466 posted on 02/20/2005 7:03:02 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

Indeed.


467 posted on 02/20/2005 7:03:27 PM PST by Neets
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To: Judith Anne

Kamsahamnida. Danke. Gracias.


468 posted on 02/20/2005 7:04:36 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: ValerieUSA

Wow! Sorry you're getting hammered about this. I know a lot of young ladies who hope to meet their husbands during their college years. I live in fly-over country, nowhere near a metro area, and it's not that uncommon. Especially in homeschooling circles.

For the record, I did not meet my husband in college, I married a man 9 years my senior when I was 25.


469 posted on 02/20/2005 7:04:40 PM PST by Marie Antoinette (The same thing we do every day, Pinky. We're going to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! Countdown to #8)
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To: patton

Well, if it ever becomes popular thinking that learning is not the fundamental reason colleges exist, college degrees will become essentially worthless. Maybe we are even closer to that point than I thought.


470 posted on 02/20/2005 7:05:51 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; Neets

Yeah, real honest argument here.
Adios, ladies. Have fun.


471 posted on 02/20/2005 7:06:44 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA

I didn't say it dooms them to anything. Just that if they *do* go to college soley to find a spouse and fail to study then it is a waste.


472 posted on 02/20/2005 7:09:20 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: k2blader
Harvard exists for one primary reason: Politics. G'Grandpa was trying to establish the colonies as a civilized society, not a poor slave of England.

That kids could learn there was secondary.

Sorry, k2 - that's the way the world works.

473 posted on 02/20/2005 7:10:47 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: k2blader

solely.


474 posted on 02/20/2005 7:11:02 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: ValerieUSA

What was so dishonest about that?


475 posted on 02/20/2005 7:12:46 PM PST by Neets
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To: patton

I think I know what you're getting at.

But I don't think the degree I earned is the result of politics.


476 posted on 02/20/2005 7:13:04 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Judith Anne
Lauralee, you are too young and know too little to be making these desperate sweeping generalizations, then defending them with your life. I suggest you learn the phrase, "You may be right. I'd like to think about that a while."

And I think that Lauralee has made some excellent and mature points in this debate. You should be ashamed for your condescending and patronizing attitude to her opinions, using her youth as an excuse.

477 posted on 02/20/2005 7:17:01 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: k2blader
Of course not - you studied, you learned, you passed the tests - GOOD!

But the colony of Mass. did not fun that school so that you could learn. Or, at least, not principally.

478 posted on 02/20/2005 7:17:31 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: neverdem
Uh, huh. If Deborah Blum is so smart, how come she can't figure out how to unwad her own panties?
479 posted on 02/20/2005 7:21:09 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Conservababe

Amazingly, I disagree, and feel no shame whatsoever.


480 posted on 02/20/2005 7:21:49 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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