Posted on 02/16/2005 4:43:26 PM PST by DannyTN
I find that offensive, should I ask the mods to move this "article" to the SBR?
OK, give it to me in 25 words or less.
There's actually a whole page devoted to the Hot Spot flamewar (it's as big and nasty as academic debates get, really interesting.)
http://www.mantleplumes.org/
It turns out that a lot of what were believed to be hot spots really aren't, that a lot of "hot spots" actually don't extend all the way to the mantle, and most interestingly, a lot of hot spots seem not to be fixed with respect to the plates passing over them...they wander themselves.
Origin of the Rockies is interesting in that it's a bit more complicated than most mountain ranges....they're pretty far inland. I think the most current theory is a VERY shallow subduction of the Farallon plate.
Pretty cool. :-)
Thanks for the info. I OTHO, was the black sheep of the family. I did not continue the tradition of studying the Earth, but popped over to the space side of things. :-)
Well, actually there is. When the glaciers melted at the end of the last ice age, there "was" widespread flooding over large parts of the earth, and much land that was above sea level was submerged. A lot of that land was probably occupied by humans, and the oral transmission of the histories of the survivors probably was the source of the "universal flood" legends in many or most religions.
YEC SPOTREP - Survive
I was referring to the ENTIRE earth...
There's no evidence that at any point in the history of earth was there no land surface and nothing but Ocean.
There have been plenty of really big glacier-burst floods, and transgressions of oceans on continental shelves and such...I agree that some of these may contribute to the flood myths of the various societies that have them.
It's David Copperfield Science: what flim-flam patter do I use to get the punters to accept the illusion I'm creating of the Earth being only 6000 years old?
Can you say "Lysenko" boys and girls? (I knew you could.)
Look it up--that's what you are advocating. Held back scientific progress for a couple of generations.
LOL
These will make for fun reading. I grabbed them all off the internet. Can't vouch for the sources. But apparently the Chinese writings do include the flood.
1)Post flood origins of Chinese History"
2)Chinese ancestors came from Red Sea area?
3)Early records of Far Eastern civilizations present a similar pattern of gross unreliability. The historian, Henry Lucas, says in his book, "A Short History of Civilization:" "The study of early Chinese history is attended with almost insuperable difficulties. The numerous literary accounts of ancient Chinese writers cannot be trusted, and their statements that Chinese culture dates from hundreds of thousands of years B.C. should be received with skepticism. The oldest historical classic is the 'Shu Ching,' or, 'Book of History,' by Confucius. This purports to date from 22505 B.C., but is actually of late composition. "That the 'Shu Ching' contains elements of truth is not to be denied, but it is difficult to separate the grains of historical fact from the chaff of literary embellishment."
4)The records of Chinese dynasties dating back to the twenty-forth century BC place the ascent of Yao to the throne in 2357BC and record a great deluge occurring within his reign. Our date for the Noachian deluge is 2348BC, within the reign of Yao. His son and successor was Shum—the name of Noah's son was Shem. Another account shows Yao reigning after the Flood to the very year that Noah died, while his successor reigns 146 years after him, to within a few years of the death of Shem. The correspondence between these Chinese dates and Bible chronology is remarkable, and amounts to much more than mere coincidence.
5)It is reported that there is independent historical confirmation of a long day in the writings of other people. See Arthur Gook, Can A Young Man Trust His Bible?, (London: Pickering and Inglis Ltd.). Gook comments as follows: "There were three ancient nations in the East which kept records of their history---the Greeks, The Egyptians and the Chinese. Each of these nations has a record of an unnaturally long day. Herodotus, 480 B.C. a Greek who is called 'the father of history,' tells us that some priests in Egypt showed him a record telling of the lengthening of a day far beyond the twenty-four hours. In the Chinese ancient writings it is plainly stated that such an occurrence took place in the reign of their Emperor Yeo, and their genealogical tables show that an Emperor of this name was reigning in China in the time of Joshua. Lord Kingsborough, who has made a special study of the aboriginal Indians in America, states that the Mexicans, who reached a high state of civilization long before America was discovered by Europeans, have a record that the sun 'stood still' for a whole day in the year which they call 'seven rabbits.' Now, the year 'seven rabbits' corresponds exactly with the time that Joshua and the Israelites were conquering Palestine." p. 43. Return
He's not a Southern Baptist. He's with a group that left the Southern Baptists when the rest of us refused to water down the scriptures. His group is turning a blind eye to homosexual practices in their churches. They haven't actually condoned homosexuality yet, but they've adopted a wink, wink, don't ask, don't tell policy toward church leaders.
Do you think the Deity has no sense of humor? He created the platypus and aardvark, didn't he?
And he did this about a week ago Tuesday, 'long about 9:43 AM (Pacific standard time, of course; right in the middle of Rush).
But, being a perfectionist, he created a perfect fossil record, all the background details, and intact memories in each of us--so we won't know it was just last week!
This is what I believe. Disprove it if you can!
I believe the fossil record records something other than what the science of the last 200 years says it does. And I believe the Bible forecast that this would occur 2000 years ago in 2 Peter 3 when Peter said people would forget creation and the flood because they assumed everything continued as it has from the beginning. That's a perfect discription of the uniformitarin view.
I don't think I've lost all sense of Humor. But it does kind of gall me that DallasMike and crew continue to call themselves Baptists, when they don't believe what Baptists have always believed.
"A Biblical interpretation of China's village culture must necessarily cut 3,000 years off the current reconstruction of that nation's Neolithic era."
What's 3000 years amoung friends ...
Actually I see science moving back towards scripture every year.
There is greater recognition of the role of Catastrophism in the formation of the fossil record than there has ever been.
Also, there is greater recognition that there are problems with individual dating methods. Science is far from giving up the house of cards they've built, but there are individual admissions that certain technigues have problems.
The jury's still out, as far as I'm concerned. Too many holes. Ever hear of Peleg? Guy in the Bible. He was called Peleg because the land was divided in his time. Sudden continental drift? Punctuated Geological Equalibrium? But hey, here's an idea: Maybe we can all find out without all the name-calling and refusal to see another's viewpoint. Or are all the evolutionist/this-is-how-it-was-'cuz-science-said-so-even-though-there-are-holes crowd afraid of a little history?
No have idea what DallasMike and crew believe in terms of Baptist dogma, but am somewhat familar with scientific method and principles, and the results thereof pertaining to evolution.
Your wrote: "I believe the fossil record records something other than what the science of the last 200 years says it does."
I am one of those (even if on the periphery) who interpret the fossil record. I do other things now, but I once studied and taught physical anthropology/evolution. If there is some secret cabal that holds underground meetings to force everyone to espouse the same thing, nobody invited me!
I think that the vast majority of those who espouse evolution (note I didn't say "believe in" evolution)--when that vast majority of scientists who espouse evolution come to pretty much the same conclusion then there is most likely something there. If I could make a name for myself by publishing a scientific paper (i.e., one which withstands testing and criticism), I would be right there doing so, but would probably be trampled by a few thousand of my colleagues.
The point: Scientists want to get it right (and to be first to do so). There is no lasting credit in being wrong, lying, fabricating data, etc. In the long run, that is doomed to abject failure--the dustbin of scientific history. For example, Piltdown Man was outed after a few years, even if the official dismissal took a couple of generations.
There is no grand conspiracy to disprove any particular dogma or belief. Rather, scientists in the long run go where the evidence points, and they change their minds when they are shown to be wrong. That is the principle of "falsifiability."
On the other hand, belief in the Bible or creation science, etc., does not follow this principle. To those who believe, there is no way to falsify their belief. Fine. But, this is where they differ from science, and they should not call their field "creation science."
Anyway, its late and I haven't shaved. Thank you for a nice, polite discussion.
The Grand Canyon was formed by the land lifting up and the river trying to maintain its level, not by the river digging down that far.
The story of Noah basically came from stories in the Middle East that arose about the filling of the Black Sea. The Black Sea was a large lake in a depression that was right next to the Mediterrean Sea. Eventually the Mediterrean rose and reached the dropoff into the depression (Where Istanbul is- the Bosporous). It filled up quickly (matter of weeks or months)and the shore could have risen several feet a day. Ballard (the guy who found the Titanic) has found remains of ancient huts somewhere around 5000 years old several hundred feet below the surface. over time, these tales got transformed into the story of Noah.
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