Hannity, you just got stuffed!
Posted on 02/16/2005 12:12:54 PM PST by 1Old Pro
Edited on 02/16/2005 2:03:25 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
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THERE ARE NO CREDENTIALS!
Of course, you can always ask for credentials from the poster himself.
They weren't the one who made the assertion. YOU WERE.
I can spend some time digging up some links here
One would think you would have had those links before making your assertion.
Sounds like you are conceding that 17,000 scientists might NOT constitute a majority.
I ask AGAIN. Where did I say anything about majority?
The fact of the matter is that the 17,000 scientists are a lot more than the 2000 that signed the IPCC report. Also, in 1997, a Gallup poll of climatologists showed that 83% disagreed with the human-made global warming theory.
Yep!
That's no evidence at all if 17,000 are a minority of scientists. We need to look at percentages, not absolute numbers.
think it's pretty clear why there are no such elements. First, any study by an invested entity (such as a vehicle manufacturer or an energy company) would be discarded out of hand.
Not if it goes against what people are experiencing. Not if it goes against what other disciplines (say biologists, or oceanographers who map ocean currents) are reporting.
How much time have I spent on this, when you haven't even presented a single piece of evidence in support of it?
You have not presented a single piece of evidence that proves global warming ISN'T real. Unless you are a specialist, I don't attach much weight to your arguments. I don't mean this as an insult. I'm saying that only specialists are qualifed to judge. I'm no specialist either, and that is why I was posting the link to the specialist's explanation. I specifically asked a Freeper, knowing that his political agenda doesn't lean left.
He should, true. Although I pointed out that there are meteorologists and climate scientists who do not think that global warming is happening. I've talked to a couple of them, one at length. As for the published studies, we have to read them and draw our own conclusions, as best we can, just as we do with anything in life, as none of us can be experts in all fields, and as there is much disagreement, not to mention wrong conclusions, among experts.
A shame that "global warming" is more of a political than scientific issue.
Yes, this is sadly true.
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Okay, we have a basic problem of logic here. When someone asserts something, it is up to that person to prove it; it is not automatically assumed true in the absence of such proof. In this case, the assertion of man-made global warming is the basic hypothesis. We've been hearing about it for two decades so far, and nothing even close to approaching proof has been discovered, despite many millions upon millions invested in trying to do so.
I don't need to be a specialist to follow Logic 101. The burden of proof is on the asserter. Negatives cannot be proven. No argument can change these facts.
The burden exists on the other side to disprove the assertion rather than just ignore it, especially if they consider it important. That's the scientific method. Scientists have presented data on changing ocean currents, on CO2 levels, on changes in animal migrations and plankton levels, and so forth. Those who deny global warming aren't presenting data to rebut these claims, or aren't doing so in enough numbers to convincingly put the issue to rest. The least we can say is that the jury is still out.
thanks, went over, registered and had a look around. The FR thread has been locked down.
No, I agree that there's a small, but very "in-your-face" contingent on FR that fits in with his description of "they eat their own".
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Some of Sean's interviews have been quite painful to listen to. I've ended up even feeling a little sorry for some of the libs he has had on because he has misunderstood or misinterpreted what they had said. Sean then comes off as an wild hothead who isn't even listening to the person he is interviewing. The conservative point of view he purports to represent ends up looking ridiculous because his interviewing skills and polemics are weak.
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