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House approves electronic ID cards
CNET ^
| February 10, 2005
| Declan McCullagh
Posted on 02/10/2005 8:53:28 PM PST by tbird5
The U.S. House of Representatives approved on Thursday a sweeping set of rules aimed at forcing states to issue all adults federally approved electronic ID cards, including driver's licenses.
Under the rules, federal employees would reject licenses or identity cards that don't comply, which could curb Americans' access to airplanes, trains, national parks, federal courthouses and other areas controlled by the federal government. The bill was approved by a 261-161 vote.
The measure, called the Real ID Act, says that driver's licenses and other ID cards must include a digital photograph, anticounterfeiting features and undefined "machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements" that could include a magnetic strip or RFID tag. The Department of Homeland Security would be charged with drafting the details of the regulation.
Republican politicians argued that the new rules were necessary to thwart terrorists, saying that four of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers possessed valid state-issued driver's licenses. "When I get on an airplane and someone shows ID, I'd like to be sure they are who they say they are," said Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, during a floor debate that started Wednesday
TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 1not; 2electronic; aliens; bigbrother; hype; lackofreadingskills; nationalid; notelectronic; privacy
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To: MaryJaneNC
I hear you but, how does having each State determining on it's own, things that pass freely through and between all States, help the situation? States Rights is a valid concern but when the actions of one State directly impact the operation of another, the States need to get together with a coordinated, systematic approach. In this regard the Federal Gov't can serve a role as a facilitator of this needed coordination and cooperation between the States.
Another example of something that has these attributes is voting processes and I applaud efforts to establish National voting standards.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:26:41 PM PST
by
drt1
To: dcuddeback
Just imagine something that could...
Stop illegals...COOL.
Find crooks on the run...AWESOME.
Locate "deadbeat dads"...RIGHT ON.
Curb the threat of terrorism in the USA...SHWING!
locate old folks who get lost
find lost kids
have medical records on tap
eliminate cash related crimes
eliminate losing or forgetting cards etc etc etc.
It's not the technology that puts us in a precarious position, it's the moral compass of the beaurocrats who wield the power which will determine the outcome.
Spot on.
Imagine the moral compass of someone possesed of the devil himself and what he might do should this sort of technology find it's way into his hands.
makes ya wonder
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:29:42 PM PST
by
mitch5501
(by the grace of God,I am what I am)
To: tbird5
Well it's amazing how many people are ready to approve this without thinking the whole thing out.
Now what if the House had mandated that we all have a Bar code tattooed on our forearms so that the Government can just scan us, catalog us,etc. or even better we will be mandated to have an electronic chip placed under out skin.
The question is at what point do you say no?
Did everyone miss the part of the RFID chip in the License to track it or did that just pass over your heads.
I think there are better ways with the existing things we have with some refinement.
As Conservatives we should be the ones opposing intrusions like this not supporting them. Smaller Government, well here we are creating yet another bureaucracy and to track it's own citizens even better than we are right now.
I expect this stuff from Liberals rather than Conservatives.
Who wins with this kind of legislation, Terrorists do, by forcing our open society to become more closed and regulated. By trying to protect the rights and freedoms we have, we have to lose more of them to fight the terrorists. Kind on an interesting Conundrum isn't it?
To: Wolfhound777; All
If we had a national ID CARD for voting, we'd pick up another 5 SENATE SEATS and a governorship in Washington! but to your point, I would have agreed with you 20 years ago.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:33:04 PM PST
by
LauraleeBraswell
(Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
To: Captain Peter Blood
It's not a bar code. It's an ID card.
Really, you're already registered with the government.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:34:27 PM PST
by
LauraleeBraswell
(Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
To: Captain Peter Blood
Perhaps they noticed the word "or" before RFID.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:36:57 PM PST
by
sharktrager
(The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
To: LauraleeBraswell
can track you through your credit card purchases and thru the tracking gadget in most newer cars
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:37:17 PM PST
by
maine-iac7
(...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I am not against IDs for voting at all. I think it should be mandatory to prove your identity to vote. But there is no need for RFID technology that will be administered by a federal intelligence agency for a simple ID card. Like you said, we already have three forms of ID now.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:40:49 PM PST
by
Wolfhound777
(It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting)
To: ArmyBratproud
I just wish they would use this to stop illegal voting. that should be mandated - and then see how many more republicans there really are in the country - after all the dead/felon/double/nonexistent voters are out of the picture
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:41:09 PM PST
by
maine-iac7
(...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time - LINCOLN)
To: Wolfhound777
"HLS will eventually become like the KGB. " I think when the Fed starts pushing the Northern Command into police and security functions at a local level then America's eyes may start to widen. When we get hit again, all types of written contingencies will be implemented. All the stuff that would not pass a sensible Congress. When you think transportation security, do you think machine gun federal troops checking National ID at a bus stop in Nowhere, USA? Just a matter of time.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:41:15 PM PST
by
endthematrix
(Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
To: LauraleeBraswell
Is it really so bad? I'm just pissed because Its going to be harder for me to get into a bar.What is bad is that all this is necessary because no one will CONTROL THE BORDER!!! Instead, we have to put up with this stupid stuff.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:42:12 PM PST
by
BJungNan
(Please stand by while I think up a new one...)
To: tbird5; Carry_Okie; Noumenon; Lil'freeper; hellinahandcart; countrydummy
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:42:15 PM PST
by
sauropod
(Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: LauraleeBraswell; hellinahandcart
My wife is right.
You're an idiot.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:43:48 PM PST
by
sauropod
(Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: mitch5501
If I don't have my "plastic" does that mean I have to go to jail?
Of course, if I am not guilty of a crime I have nothing to worry about. Yeah.....?
To: arnoldfwilliams
Of course, that requires thinking about consequences. Most in this country can't do that anymore.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:45:37 PM PST
by
sauropod
(Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: Captain Peter Blood
Sort of reminds me of what the bible said about end times.
Everyone will be forced to take a number to survive or be killed.
666
HM!!!
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:46:23 PM PST
by
OKIEDOC
(LL THE)
To: dcuddeback
W/O a damn strong conservative supreme court to counter-balance the extremists, well, we could be in for a world of hurt. I'd prefer not to have to rely on the Men in Black to not trample all over my rights as a US citizen...
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:47:15 PM PST
by
sauropod
(Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: BJungNan; hellinahandcart
Yeah, but Lauralee wants a drinkie-poo.
Can't stop her from getting her Shirley Temple after all...
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:49:45 PM PST
by
sauropod
(Hitlary: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
To: sauropod
Scary
RICO law was supposed to be to combat major crime organizations.
Now the local, state and federal people use it to get new cars for the police force through confiscation.
I have great concerns about how some in law enforcement are over stepping their bounds and lines of authority.
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posted on
02/10/2005 9:51:42 PM PST
by
OKIEDOC
(LL THE)
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