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Scientists find missing link between whale and its closest relative, the hippo
UC Berkeley News ^ | 24 January 2005 | Robert Sanders, Media Relations

Posted on 02/08/2005 3:50:43 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: HankReardon
A coyote can breed with a wolf, a wolf can breed with a dog, a dog can breed with a coyote. This is one species of animal with different variations.

A lion can breed with a tiger. What does that tell you?

281 posted on 02/08/2005 8:51:58 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Modernman
They cannot "interbreed" because of size--a Great Dane pup would kill a papillion mother. This brings a certain surface appeal to your argument, but the gap between type and species is a vast one. I could also show you an angora goat, tiny little thing with long snow-white ringlets, and a big homely Nubian with hardly any hair at all, much older breeds than the dogs you describe.

Your "leap" is still a huge one. Dogs are still dogs--goats are still goats.

It'd be easier to work with insects--shorter life cycle, simpler creature.

282 posted on 02/08/2005 8:52:08 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
So much of this debate is a Show Trial for Smartypants

Careful, your real motivations are showing...

283 posted on 02/08/2005 8:52:26 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Mamzelle

"I think that pretty little artist's rendering (which has the horse in the wrong "swoop" of evolution, btw) ought to be recreated in stained glass and mounted on an altar to Hopeless Tenure Track and Our Lady of Perpetual Unemployability."

Good response!


284 posted on 02/08/2005 8:53:13 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Modernman

A team looking for a new mascot? There are many mules in nature. I think, we once had this conversation. You said there was a mule that was not sterile, and I then inquired..."Who's his baby?"


285 posted on 02/08/2005 8:53:33 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Junior; houeto
What I don't understand is, after the dinosaurs were wiped out, why didn't evolution make some more of them?

I'm a dinosaur. My kids say so. ;)

286 posted on 02/08/2005 8:53:43 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Liberal Classic

re: dogs, wolf spp, coyotes etc.

Diminished fertility is a sign that speciation is not complete. There are ring species (seriously neat...adjacent neighbors can interbreed but when they reach the extreme ends of their range, overlapping populations can't breed.

>=can breed with X=can't breed with

a > b > c > d > e > f X a.

somewhere along the line they (let's say a and d) can breed but have fewer or weaker offspring.

That's similar to what goes on with wolves, dogs and coyotes. No one is going to seriously argue that a chihuahua male could impregnate a wolf female, or that a chihuahua female could either be impregnated by, or bear the offspring of, a wolf.

The biologists' definition of species is critters that don't interbreed in nature, but on the way to species is diminished fertility. That would explain the occasional hybrid in various canid populations.


287 posted on 02/08/2005 8:55:26 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: houeto
What I don't understand is, after the dinosaurs were wiped out, why didn't evolution make some more of them.

The only way for more dinosaurs to come about would have been for other surviving reptiles, such as crocodiles, to evolve in that direction or for birds to regain their dino features. There was no environmental pressure pushing reptiles and birds back into the dinosaur direction.

Furthermore, the empty niches left by the extinct dinos were quickly filled by various other types of animal, such as mammals.

288 posted on 02/08/2005 8:56:30 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: jps098

My "cylinder index" is currently at around 23 counting the 9.8hp Merc. that needs a tune-up to run. thanks for asking. shalom


289 posted on 02/08/2005 8:59:29 AM PST by patriot_wes (When I see two guys kissin..argh! Is puking a hate crime yet?)
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To: HankReardon
Are you dodging giving an answer MR educated intellect?

How old are you, twelve?

It's a very easy thing to give an answer of yes or no. Is the wolf and the dog the same species?

By which definition of species?

(Hint: "Species" is a human classification. Nature makes no such distinctions.)

But yes, by most definitions of species, dogs and wolves are different species. Why do you ask (over and over and over again)?

290 posted on 02/08/2005 8:59:51 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: HankReardon

If we agree that the wolf and the coyote are sufficiently different to be considered two distinct species, even though they are clearly closely related and quite similar animals both physically and tempermentally, and when wolves and coyotes interbreed they produce viable offspring who are not mules, then I would answer 'no,' the wolf and the dog are sufficiently different to be considered two distinct species.


291 posted on 02/08/2005 9:01:19 AM PST by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: RaceBannon
Then that hippo like creature developed gills, balleen, ability to swim not sink

Funny looking "gills":


292 posted on 02/08/2005 9:01:55 AM PST by Stultis
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To: TheForceOfOne
I am curious as to how we continue to adapt to gravity and our average height keeps increasing, how tall will we get?

Much of our increase in height is based on environmental issues, such as better nutrition, rather than genetic traits. We're not really getting genetically any taller, it's just that due to better nutrition and medical care, we are able to live up to our genetic potential these days when it comes to height.

As for how tall we can get as a species? In Earth's gravity, humans start to develop problems once they get up into the upper 6' range.

293 posted on 02/08/2005 9:02:05 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: patriot_wes
My "cylinder index" is currently at around 23 counting the 9.8hp Merc. that needs a tune-up to run. thanks for asking. shalom

It is actually about a 12hp Merc. They put 9.8 on the label to get past state registration requirements.

294 posted on 02/08/2005 9:04:54 AM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RaceBannon
Then that hippo like creature developed gills, balleen, ability to swim not sink

This is where you lost all credibility.

295 posted on 02/08/2005 9:05:15 AM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Dimensio
The University of Chicago professor (two of my previous posts have links) asserted that he had "launched" a new species of fruit fly. It doesn't take a close reading at all to find out that nothing of the sort had happened, but the scientist when on to say, "It's happened...at least it'll happen any second now! All indications are go!" This is a scientist? I'm supposed to take this ridiculous braggart seriously? And I refused to do so--I also refused to forget about it. If he says "any moment now!", why not check back to see if that moment has occurred? That was well over a year ago. When people pointed out--"There is no fly"--they were greeted with hoots of "Superstition."

But, there was no fly.

These are not scientists as much as they are priests. They don't present a reasonable theory, they insist I ascribe to it lest I be "ignorant".

I don't know how life began, and I don't credit these erstwhile Darwin-thumpers who claim to know, either. I have beliefs--but I don't call people "superstitious" or "ignorant" who don't happen to agree.

If this is science, it should be demonstrable and accountable--anything else is theorizing. Theorizing is OK--it's truth-seeking, but it's not truth itself.

296 posted on 02/08/2005 9:05:18 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: houeto

"Naaa...just looking for evidence of something that is classified as both plant and animal."

At one time Slime Molds were thought to possibly be both. At least one group has their own kingdom now.

Fungi used to be classified as plants, now they are known to be closer to animals.


297 posted on 02/08/2005 9:05:18 AM PST by From many - one. (formerly e p1uribus unum)
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To: Mamzelle

You didn't answer my question. Who is trying to prove that no gods exist?


298 posted on 02/08/2005 9:06:25 AM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Ichneumon
Man...it would so suck to have to know all of that!
When all you have to know is John 3:16 - Shalom

299 posted on 02/08/2005 9:08:42 AM PST by patriot_wes (When I see two guys kissin..argh! Is puking a hate crime yet?)
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To: Ichneumon
Photosynthetic bacteria.

Shoot. I was hoping for something more exciting like the Venus Fly-Trap.

300 posted on 02/08/2005 9:09:35 AM PST by houeto ("President Bush, close our borders now!")
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