Posted on 02/07/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by conservlib
Actually, since the sixth century, the Muslims plan, and drive was and still is to convert as many people as possible to Islam. That can happen only through orchestrated effort of Muslim countries, and Islamic underground organizations that are typically winked at by the Muslim governments.
The U.S. and most of the West are not so attached to their religion, and are not so driven to convert others at any cost to any particular religion. That IS a mistake in the current war against the Muslim terrorists. The enemy’s drive is to convert us to Islam!! If we can ALL agree on that one statement, then there will be hope for my readers to follow my logic.
OK, I am going to assume that all my readers confirm that our enemy’s single motive that drives him to kill himself is TO CONVERT US TO ISLAM! It follows then; the weapon to fight back is TO CONVERT THEM TO CHRISTIANITY, a la Ann Coulter. Now, I can hear all the screaming from our Jewish citizens saying but, the separation of church and state? We are not a Christian country? Our military knows only how to fight, and not to force convert people to Christianity! The answer to these concerns is yes I understand, but, we must inflict the REAL pain on the enemy. Killing the enemy is not pain, and we know it - the reason is because they are going to heaven with 72 virgins. What really hurt is to convert their wives or sister to Christianity , Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism.
To deal with this issue, we must approach this subject OPENLY! Openly you said? Yes, our president, and media MUST openly discuss the concept of freedom to convert people from Islam to other religions. Our Jewish/Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Godless organizations should be free to set up proselytizing shops in Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim nations to convince, and convert as many Muslims to their religions. At first, we are all programmed to think that that would never work, because Muslims kill any other Muslim that converts to other religion. The point here is this is the only effective weapon that they can understand. Failing to recognize that would only mean that we will be chancing our tails for many generations to come.
The Saudi government, and Most other Muslim governments are spending good part of their national income to proselytize Islam throughout the world, and if the rest of the world is indifferent about such OPEN activity, then the rest of the world is in denial of the driving force for Islam and Muslims, and the obvious counter measure needed to stop this drive. The UN and the rest of the world organizations MUST openly talk about the freedom of all people to believe, and practice their religions any where on this planet. If a person is convinced (not forced) to convert from one faith to another, there should never be retaliation (officially or not)! The whole world should be very much attuned to this simple idea, as we are (public/media/government) all attuned to Nazism, or racial discrimination as an evil thing that must be monitored and stopped. To this end, any force conversion in any far places like Sudan or Egypt should be front page news in the entire world, simply because it illustrates that one side is not playing fair!
Now do you suppose President Bush can call the King of Saudi Arabia and say hey my friend, you are building mosques all over my country, and are free to proselyte to our citizens; from now on, I expect reciprocation of favor. If not, we will demolish all the mosques that you funded, and stop all your proselytizing activities. If such discussions were made public to the whole world to see, do you suppose any fair minded person can call the US bully, or not diplomatic? How can equal treatment offend people? Why are we thinking that with guns we are going to affect people who are ready to die for Allah? Once we learn that the drive from the sixth century must be countered by counter drive; this would put the whole competition under fair ground rules, like any sport competitions. Outside referees will call any foul play.
Fanatics, heretics and lunatics populate the entire planet.
Not one of these organizations, I dare say, is sanctioned by the Christian mainstream, Catholic or Protestant. I would also go so far as to say that they are abhorred by the main.
Self profession does not make one so.
"Fanatical Islam, and its covert support in most of the Muslim world"
My point exactly.
Let the ones who want to declare peace do so and go and live in peace.
Then it's an easy matter of killing all the rest who refuse to say they want peaceful coexistence with others.
Let's address these in order:
* Christian Identity movement
* Ku Klux Klan (A racist Protestant Christian organization. )
* The Order (1980s-present)
All of these are racist groups who pervert the Word to suit their racist and bigoted beliefs. No mainstream denomination recognizes them the same way Al Qa'aeda is recognized as legitimately acting upon Fatwa by the overwhelming and vast majority of Sunni clerics and a measurable majority of Shi'a clerics support Al Qa'aeda as well.
On to the Irish...
* Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) (1986-present)
* Irish National Liberation Army
* Irish Republican Army (IRA) (1916-present)
* Loyalist Volunteer Force (disbanded)
* Orange Volunteers
* Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA) (1969-present)
* Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA) (1997-present)
* Ulster Defence Association (UDA) (1971-present)
* Red Hand Defenders (1998-present)
* Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) (May 1966-present)
No Christian denomination claims any of these groups. None.
Then there's your "miscellaneous" groups:
* Lord's Resistance Army (Christian/Pagan/Muslim) (1987-present) (Uganda)
It looks like no one would claim these idiots! "(Christian/Pagan/Muslim)"
Last, but least is...
* Nagaland Rebels (1948-present) (Nagaland)
The Nagaland Rebels are an adjunct of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (India). I think this should say it all.
I will say that I expected you to come up with an anti-abortion group (terrorist/criminals as opposed to conscientious ProLifers) as being Christian terrorists and I was still going to point out that no mainstream denomination supports any of these.
None of your examples compare to Al Qa'aeda, Hamas, PLO, or etc. - all groups who execute the fatwa of Muslim clerics with the collective blessings of their Sunni or Shi'a clerics.
I can find volumes of condemnation of all of the Irish groups by religious leaders, the American racist groups are just idiots, and the African and Indian goups leave me quizzical as to why you have them on your list as Christians when one group is as diverse as the Democrat Party and the other is Socialist.
So where is the one, single fatwa from *any* Muslim cleric condemning the murders of Christians or Jews by Islamofascists?
Just one. That's all I ask to show me that at least one Muslim cleric is all about peace.
Just one fatwa.
Not a note, not a comment to the foreign press, a fatwa.
During Clinton bombing of the Belgrade as the Orthodox Serbs where celebrating Easter, the Orthodox churches NEVER made one comment against that unfair bombing. That is Christianity, and the separation of church and state.
What is it like to never be in doubt? Do you have lots of friends? Do you find you are constantly drawing people to your position or more often repelling them?
Ah, by the way:
"List of self-professed Christian terrorist organizations"
I'm a self-professed Fire-Engine!! Whoo-hoo!!!
That doesn't make me a fire engine.
Google Results:
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,730 for orthodox churches yugoslavia condemn bombing
Looks like your Orthodox pals didn't get the memo about how Yugoslavian churches are supposed to respect 'separation of church and state' in the USA.
Cheeky lot, those Serbians.
Is this a the psychiatric ward
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