Posted on 02/07/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by conservlib
Actually, since the sixth century, the Muslims plan, and drive was and still is to convert as many people as possible to Islam. That can happen only through orchestrated effort of Muslim countries, and Islamic underground organizations that are typically winked at by the Muslim governments.
The U.S. and most of the West are not so attached to their religion, and are not so driven to convert others at any cost to any particular religion. That IS a mistake in the current war against the Muslim terrorists. The enemy’s drive is to convert us to Islam!! If we can ALL agree on that one statement, then there will be hope for my readers to follow my logic.
OK, I am going to assume that all my readers confirm that our enemy’s single motive that drives him to kill himself is TO CONVERT US TO ISLAM! It follows then; the weapon to fight back is TO CONVERT THEM TO CHRISTIANITY, a la Ann Coulter. Now, I can hear all the screaming from our Jewish citizens saying but, the separation of church and state? We are not a Christian country? Our military knows only how to fight, and not to force convert people to Christianity! The answer to these concerns is yes I understand, but, we must inflict the REAL pain on the enemy. Killing the enemy is not pain, and we know it - the reason is because they are going to heaven with 72 virgins. What really hurt is to convert their wives or sister to Christianity , Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism.
To deal with this issue, we must approach this subject OPENLY! Openly you said? Yes, our president, and media MUST openly discuss the concept of freedom to convert people from Islam to other religions. Our Jewish/Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Godless organizations should be free to set up proselytizing shops in Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim nations to convince, and convert as many Muslims to their religions. At first, we are all programmed to think that that would never work, because Muslims kill any other Muslim that converts to other religion. The point here is this is the only effective weapon that they can understand. Failing to recognize that would only mean that we will be chancing our tails for many generations to come.
The Saudi government, and Most other Muslim governments are spending good part of their national income to proselytize Islam throughout the world, and if the rest of the world is indifferent about such OPEN activity, then the rest of the world is in denial of the driving force for Islam and Muslims, and the obvious counter measure needed to stop this drive. The UN and the rest of the world organizations MUST openly talk about the freedom of all people to believe, and practice their religions any where on this planet. If a person is convinced (not forced) to convert from one faith to another, there should never be retaliation (officially or not)! The whole world should be very much attuned to this simple idea, as we are (public/media/government) all attuned to Nazism, or racial discrimination as an evil thing that must be monitored and stopped. To this end, any force conversion in any far places like Sudan or Egypt should be front page news in the entire world, simply because it illustrates that one side is not playing fair!
Now do you suppose President Bush can call the King of Saudi Arabia and say hey my friend, you are building mosques all over my country, and are free to proselyte to our citizens; from now on, I expect reciprocation of favor. If not, we will demolish all the mosques that you funded, and stop all your proselytizing activities. If such discussions were made public to the whole world to see, do you suppose any fair minded person can call the US bully, or not diplomatic? How can equal treatment offend people? Why are we thinking that with guns we are going to affect people who are ready to die for Allah? Once we learn that the drive from the sixth century must be countered by counter drive; this would put the whole competition under fair ground rules, like any sport competitions. Outside referees will call any foul play.
That option actually makes more sense to me than trying to nuke Mecca.
But then, again, in the minds of many, that still might be construed as taking the easy way out.
You are so clueless it is rather amusing. Call your local Orthodox shul. If you even know where to find one.
Judaism, while it does not seek converts, will accept pious, observant converts.
But that doesn't make them HEBREW
I have a question, how do I know which tribe I descended from?
Those who are kohanim and levites have kept track. Everyone else is an Israelite. Go to shul. Watch the order in the aliyot. Kohen first, Levite second, the otyher 5 are all labelled Israelite.
If you are really interested in learning more about your Jewish heritage, I'd suggest the following website as a starting point: http://www.jewfaq.org. I hope you will be open to the fact that what you think you know about Judaism, and what Judaism really is, are very different. Keep an open mind, and there are plenty of people on FR who will be happy to answer your questions. Insist on things that any marginally educated Jew knows are wrong, and you're likely to engender a different response.
islam its a blast... religion dont tell people to kill people who dont agree with it
According to the Code of Jewish Law (the "Shulchan Aruch"), there are three requirements for a valid conversion:
1) Mikveh - All converts must immerse in the Mikveh - a ritual bath linked to a reservoir of rain water.
2) Milah - Male converts must undergo circumcision by a qualified "Mohel." If he was previously circumcised by a doctor, he then undergoes a ritual called "hatafas dam."
3) Mitzvot - This is the clincher. The convert must believe in God and the divinity of the Torah, as well as accept upon himself to observe all 613 mitzvot (commandments) of the Torah. This includes observance of Shabbat, Kashrut, etc. -- as detailed in the Code of Jewish Law, the authoritative source for Jewish observance. This means that a motor vehicle is not used on Shabbat, that cheese is eaten only with kosher supervision, that a woman uses the mikveh every month, that hands are ritually washed before every bread meal, that the status of a Kohen is preserved, and much much more.
All of the above must be done before a court of three Jewish men who themselves believe in God, accept the divinity of the Torah, and observe the mitzvot. In the case of someone who denies fundamental principles of Jewish belief (such as, the word for word divinity of the Torah), or offers to perform the conversion without requiring full mitzvah observance, the conversion would be invalid according to the Code of Jewish Law.
Hmmm. Very interesting. I have only seen his early stuff and I thought for a man who had been through some rough times, his work didn't say much. I have always wondered what he was hiding.
I do a little drawing (the R.E.Lee on my home page for example)...I can speak to power of pain in art because I did that drawing when I had a pinched nerve in my neck. It sounds funny now, but it hurt like h@ll at the time and I think the pain helped me imagine the anquish Lee must have feeling. Still hurts just to think about it (the pinched nerve that is)!
You are Jewish ethnically. But, you are not Jewish religiously at all. You FR homepage even says so. Thank goodness people like you do not dictate Jewish law.
Exactly!No one should"convert"anyone to anything.Come to God or Christ because He calls you to him.You will KNOW when that time is.You can't convert someone to any religion,at least one that is supposed to come from the heart.
And if Islam is your choice?I don't agree with that choice but as long as you do no harm to myself,other Americans or humanity as a whole,then I'm fine with your decision.
I would say whipping the money changers out of the Temple was pretty violent.
It is your place to read the Bible and know what Jesus did or did not say since you are the one who invoked His Name.
Read the Bible, know the Word, and you'll know that I am not steering you wrong.
I truly believe I would be doing you a disservice by spoonfeeding you a text that you really need to read on your own to grasp the meaning that will become personal to you.
Perhaps you'll find these Scriptures and decide I'm wrong based on their context within a broader subject.
That is between you and God and is for you to discover...or not...but it is not for me to spell out what should be your personal understanding of the Word.
But a note for the future: do not invoke Jesus' name and intent if you do not know it yourself.
As an ancient traditional thing- Jewish goes through the mother's side-
it says = 100% American
My Wasp side is, you know Mayflower types. The Scotts Irish German Swedes Dutch English people- I don't know if it's possible to go back that far.
Jewish as in IS or Isn't. It's complicated, but basically a thousand years ago you couldn't REALLY know who the father was, so Jews traced it from the mother's side. Also, I am automatically eligible for dual citizenship to Israel by my heritage.
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