Posted on 02/02/2005 4:46:08 AM PST by HAL9000
We've never left one up there!
I saw this statement from you, Miss M (I assume I don't have to preceed that with 'the Divine', correct?) and what immediately came to mind was an accident that occured during WW II. It was the crash of a B-25 bomber into the Empire State building! More info on that event at
http://history1900s.about.com/library/misc/blempirecrash.htm
The witness said he saw sparks as it tried to take off. Maybe the nosewheel collapsed just before takeoff.
On the other hand,if the plane was going 100 mph when it skidded off the runway, it could have had enough speed left to keep the nose off the ground but not enought to lift off. Anyone know the takeoff speed of this aircraft?
See that, I learned something. I was teasing, I thought you left the "r" out.
The last I saw on the news is that the critical person was a passenger in one of the cars. He sustained head injuries. Severe head injuries is not good. The driver had a broken nose and needed stitches. They were both knocked out, and the driver didn't know about his friend, or what happened, until this afternoon. It's still amazing that only one person was critical, after seeing the initial pictures.
There was no lasing or terrorists involved here. If I were a betting person, I'd bet they'll be doing some design revisions to that type of plane. That's the best conspiracy thing I can muster today. Somedays, I can get so creative--not today.
One minute and seven seconds after HAL9000 posted this breaking story, billorites posted the aircraft's serial number, manufacturer, model, registered owner, last engine airworthiness inspection date, and more!
I was pulling into work when this story broke today, and I did not have access to FR all day, so I did not know what news and information was in this thread. When I got home and saw the news report on the plane crash on Fox News, I took note of the plane's tail number - figuring that I would see if I could find out who it belonged to (Fox News did not mention that info in its report).
But then I thought, "Let me check FR first and see if somebody has already found that info." But sixty-seven seconds?!
And that's why I say I am amazed at the speed with which this information was posted by a Freeper. WOW!
Nope -- though the occasional air france concorde driver -- usually down-wind on a sub-standard runway and trailing 150 yards or so of flames from fuel tanks ruptured by a tyre disintegrated by violent shimmying [But blame les Américains] after skair france erks left a spacer out of the wheel assembly [And while his airborne-airplane-plumber is busy arbitrarily and un-bid shutting down good engines] -- has tried to.
[Search the wreckage as they might, though -- they never do find the buttons off any of the cockpit seat cushions]
And that's why I say I am amazed at the speed with which this information was posted by a Freeper. WOW!
I, for one have a day job.
Is there a problem?
I'm embarrassed.
I go check my favorite porn sites for half a minute and all hell breaks loose.
I feel so dirty, so ashamed...
Think how much more you could accomplish if you didn't have that darned day job holding you back.
;-)
Ummm... strike my comment about the day job holding you back...
Well, lasers generally are polarised and monochromatic, and there may be ways to make cabin glass filter such things out or lessen the effect of them.
In all likelyhood, it's due to some minor thing that will seem laughingly obvious later on.
But since the laser dazzling incidents have been happening there, it's safe to keep that in mind until the pilots give a good interview with the investigators.
Right now I figure they're shaken up, hurt, and medicated for pain which would make interviewing kinda difficult.
I'm guessing, obviously, but it's probably a good guess.
If lasing happened, the pilots would be able to say.
If it was mechanical, they'll probably say something seemed wrong or some instruments read wrong or low.
But it is a relief to see that no-one has died yet.
(And prayers for the critical one.)
I know you were teasing.
I couldn't come up with something funny in return.
:(
It is amazing ... I have the FAA aircraft registration page bookmarked, too. :-)
My Freeper office colleague told me about the Concorde doc that was on last week ... when it hit a piece of sheet metal shed onto the runway by the previously departing flight ... blew out the tire, and then igniting the whole left wing, and eventually destroying the plane. Horrendous. Is that the one you're referring to?
Amazing story ping.
I understand that rt. 46 will be closed tomorrow also. Gov. Codey has instructed the DOT to install a special set of traffic lights and a toll booth for jets from Teterboro which want to cross rt. 46.
Rt. 46 NJ ping
FYI
NTSB has asked (1700 EST) that RT 46 be closed for a 'few days' so they can do their investigation and remove the A/C from the building.
The BEST (read: "soon to be crowded") alternate will be I-80
I've driven 46 often---its a miracle that it wasn't wall-to-wall cars at that spot like it usually is.
<< Concorde doc that was on last week ... when it hit a piece of sheet metal shed onto the runway by the previously departing flight ... blew out the tire, and then igniting the whole left wing, and eventually destroying the plane. >>
It is possible that the possibly 8 metric tons over-loaded aircraft, its CofG dangerously -- and as it turned out fatally -- aft of limits, taking off with an eight knots tailwind on a sub-standard runway and already critically damaged as the consequence of a four-days-earlier criminally-negligent maintenance error [A spacer left out of the left hand main-undercarriage assembly made it impossible for the left hand main-undercarriage wheel assembly to track straight and to shimmy so badly a twelve cycless out-of-life tyre blew, catastophically disintegrated and threw chunks through the lower surface of the wing and penetrated fuel tanks] -- and already on fire, struck a piece of metal that is alleged to have been dropped on the runway by a previously departing Continental DC-10.
Possible -- and there was a settlement as part of which Continental's American insurerers were whacked for Hundreds of Millions of Dollars.
But the aeroplane, which subsequently came so close to veering completely off the runway [Prevented from doing so only by the captain's one-in-a-comedy-of-errors action of dragging it into the air 11 knots under minimum takeoff safety speed] that it struck and destroyed a quite substantial steel runway-edge light installation and [Just as the flight engineer, demonstrating terminal arrogance, took it on himself to shut down one of the engines] came within a couple of hundred feet or so of colliding with a taxiing Boeing B-747 [With Jaques and Madame Chirac on board] -- had been on fire for at least a couple of thousand feet before it reached the alleged site on the runway of the Continental part.
That disaster wasn't "a deliberate" -- but way was closer to being one of those than it was to being "an accident."
Based on brilliant investigative work by 'The Observer's' David Rose, Discovery Channel and the BBC did a chillingly-objective documentary called 'Anatomy of a Disaster' that tracked and backed up with layers of witnesses [Including numbers of air france and British Airways Concorde crews] the actual series of events -- and demonstrated the fraudulence of the french accident 'report.' [Read: "Whitewash"] It is very much worth tracking down and quite chilling to watch.
From NJ to Montana that's some difference. How is the big sky country with very little cars and speed limits?
I live in NYC--where I am now (actually Flushing) 1/2 of the year and Montana the rest.
I have relatives in Wayne and Lincoln Park, NJ. I also go to spinal cord injury therapy at Hackensack University Med Ctr--So have a decent knowledge of North Jersey.
When driving in Montana, the S/L is 75 on the interstate, 70 on US routes (like route 2) Most people there drive much faster (90 is NOT uncommon on the interstate) and Montana has the traffic fatalities to prove it. (3rd in the country--with 915,000 residents and 146,000 sq/mi of territory!) Besides, a lot of roads there can have ice or snow on them as late as July in the higher elevations (like Mountain passes) Montanans like to joke they have 4 seasons: Winter, still winter, construction, and almost winter! Add to that the tourons ("Tourist Morons") that travel Montana roads and it almost makes me yearn for the NJ Turnpike.
Here's the final bit: until a few years back--there was no speed limit per se on MT highways---it was called "reasonable and prudent"--problem was a drivers idea of R & P was a usually a bit different than the highway patrols, LOL!
FAS
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