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1 posted on 02/02/2005 4:08:34 AM PST by Clive
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To: Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; coteblanche; Ryle; albertabound; mitchbert; ...
So much for allowing a free vote.

I was predicting that the whips would be out, but covertly.

Our noble prime minister sucks and blows in the same breath.

Martin ensures that a backbench revolt won't bring down the government by declaring that the legislation is not a vote of confidence,

Then he orders the Cabinet to vote for the legislation.

Then he huffs and puffs and strikes poses and declaims to a scrum that he is prepared to fight an election on the issue.

Then he backs down on and reconfirms that it is indeed still not a vote of confidence.

Then he sets the loyalists onto the back bench to persuade members to go awol on voting day.

2 posted on 02/02/2005 4:17:41 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive

Will the last Christian in Canada please lock the doors before they leave?

Seems Martins already turned off the lights, thanks.


3 posted on 02/02/2005 4:28:45 AM PST by JFK_Lib
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To: Clive
I'm sick of hearing all this "gay marriage is a human right" or "not allowing gay marriage is a violation of the UN charter (or whaterver it's called).

the rules for marriage are THE SAME for EVERYONE, so there is no discrimination, 1 man can marry 1 woman, and this applies to all people except the ones who are already married of course, so how is there ANY discrimination in there? are the rules not the same for everyone? yes they are so there is no discrimination in there whatsoever.

now there ARE a few EXCEPTIONS, one cannot marry a minor, one cannot marry an animal, one cannot marry more than 1 other person and one cannot marry a person of the same sex, those are EXCEPTIONS, not DISCRIMINATORY measures because these measures/exceptions apply to ALL.

5 posted on 02/02/2005 4:45:56 AM PST by William of Orange (slow change may pull us apart...)
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To: Clive

Instead of being typically Canadian by meekly submitting to the agenda of our political manipulators, we Canadians can effectively express our opposition to same-sex "marriage".

I have emailed the following letter of dissent to Paul Martin, our (not so) prime minister, along with copies to Irwin Cotler, our minister of (in)justice, Stephen Harper, Conservative leader of the opposition, and my local liberal representative.

I invite and encourage other Canadians who oppose this proposed legislation to direct correspondence to their local representatives and other politicians.

The email address for any member of Parliament is
(MP's surname).(first initial)@parl.gc.ca.
As an example, our (not so) prime minister can be reached at Martin.P@parl.gc.ca.



Hello:

In addressing this correspondence to you, I have refrained from using the salutation "Right Honourable" before your name. I believe that such a term of respect must be earned, and not merely conveyed due to political niceties! Maybe this is my litmus test for you.

As a Canadian citizen, I am appalled by the wanton decision of several Canadian appointed judges to attempt to rewrite history by granting "marriage" licenses to homosexual partners. By their blatant disregard for the law, not only do they consider themselves above the law, they have even deemed themselves to be the makers of the law. And the spineless politicians who have abdicated their responsibility to maintain accountability, are no less contemptible.

The collective motto of this band of incompetents, as demonstrated by their actions and inactions, appears to be - Let the Canadian public be held hostage! They will get used to it!

Most proponents of homosexual "marriage" condemn the established law governing the issuance of marriage licenses as discrimination based on gender or sexual preference.


These laws do discriminate, as they should, with regard to - the applicants’ gender, age (both must be adults), blood relationship (no first degree relatives), current marital status (currently not married to someone else), sanity, sobriety, consciousness, mutual freedom and willingness to marry, and type of relationship (currently monogamous).

If homosexual "marriage" is to be sanctioned, I’m sure that there soon will be other challenges to dispel these other discriminations. What will be next - pedophile or polygamous "marriages"?

This issue surely will be our country’s Pandora’s Box!

If Canadians allows rogue judicial and political mavericks to redefine a concept so integral to society as marriage in the pretext of eliminating discrimination, what is next?

In our society which is driven by feelings as opposed to ethical considerations, should the long established definitions of mother, father, son, daughter, male, female, and even black and white also be changed to avoid offence?

Should society really discriminate against any mother who would prefer to be called a "father"? Or how about a mother who really wanted to have a daughter, but instead gave birth to a son? Should she be encouraged to refer to him as she so wishes?

Likewise, should a male be free to declare himself/herself "female"?

If some people regard all discrimination with disdain, should all discrimination be eliminated?

Most importantly, what will be the long-term effect of legitimizing homosexual "marriage"? Will it reinforce the false belief that marriage and parenthood are unrelated?


In a heterosexual marriage, children are afforded exposure to the specific thoughts, behaviours, experiences, outlooks, and affections that usually differentiate male from female psyches. In a homosexual union, children probably will be exposed to and thereby assimilate only the views espoused by either their male or female "parents". Balance and diversity will be lacking. Do gays and lesbians truly value the concept of "diversity", or is it merely a useful tool to foist their lifestyle on a non-questioning, non-caring, passive, predominantly heterosexual society?

Some individuals have referred to the issue of redefining marriage as a "slippery slope". Maybe a precipice would be a truer analogy!


We, in Canada, have had much of our behaviour and many of our activities interpreted according to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (a real Pandora’s Box ensuring employment for any and all lawyers). That really changed our society, and I doubt that it was beneficial to us, as Canadians. We even lack a national identity now. Our only identifiable characteristic is our mandated complacency to accept everything as defined according to a "politically correct" manipulative agenda.

As elected representatives, you have a responsibility to be firstly a person of honour, and secondly to express and effect the collective interests of your constituents. Hopefully you will assume this task without looking for a convenient excuse to shirk your duty and to hide from accountability.

Since several provincial courts have rushed to honour same sex "marriages", you now have the authority and power to hold those rogue magistrates accountable for their usurped actions. You can ensure that the band of incompetents are held accountable for their personal agenda, and enable them to apologize to the Canadian populace.


merely a Canadian who continues to learn, and wonders "why and why not"!


8 posted on 02/02/2005 7:02:28 AM PST by Information Friendly (A person who stands for nothing will fall for anything!)
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Woo hoo.......I can hardly wait for the next election. This issue will end a lot of political careers.


13 posted on 02/02/2005 8:48:11 AM PST by In The Crease (Canada---no leftists need apply.)
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