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Freemasonry's Influence in Europe
Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs

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To: editor-surveyor
There are none so blind as those who will not see and your eyes are covered with sol many layers,that nothing can pierce those coverings.

What religion/sect do you belong to? Please do be specific.

And since you believe that it's GOD's job,then quick trying to do HIS job!

341 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: editor-surveyor

So, your only excuse is to beg the question.

Well, that says it all. lol


342 posted on 02/02/2005 9:04:52 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx
So the reason for your anger and dysfunction dates back to the 6th grade? Why are you laying it on me? Do we know each other?

Nobody but the King of Kings has the credentials to rule the world. Anybody that tries deserves the bruises that they get.

343 posted on 02/02/2005 9:08:38 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor
Okay,you have one of two choices.....

Either the Masons are NOT trying to run the world;which is factual and the truth!

Or they ARE running the world.Nows,if they ARE running the world and you keep being nasty to them,you'd better run away and hide,because they're going to find you and destroy you.:-)

Do you also believe that "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION" is a factual book and true?

344 posted on 02/02/2005 9:09:04 PM PST by nopardons
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To: editor-surveyor
" the only freedom that was considered important enough by this nation's founders to die for was the freedom to worship."

That is simply untrue. You should know better.
345 posted on 02/02/2005 9:13:17 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: Trinity_Tx

Trust me,he doesn't know anything! He's a wannabe preacher,is all.


346 posted on 02/02/2005 9:14:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
"Nows,if they ARE running the world and you keep being nasty to them,you'd better run away and hide,because they're going to find you and destroy you.:-)"

Nah! I've got a friend that promised that all his friends win, and dying for him is a guarantee of eternal life. Neat, huh?

347 posted on 02/02/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor
What Christian sect do you belong to?

Do you believe that "THE PROTOCOLS OF THE ELDERS OF ZION is fact?

You believe that YOU have to DIE FOR CHRIST? Then WHY did HE die for us? You haven't gotten anything at all correct,yet.You really should give up...GOD will NOT be mocked and that's all you've done thus far.

348 posted on 02/02/2005 9:23:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: editor-surveyor
"So the reason for your anger and dysfunction dates back to the 6th grade? Why are you laying it on me? Do we know each other?"
That sort of juvenile reply comes from either intellectual dishonesty, or a lack of intelligence altogether.

" Nobody but the King of Kings has the credentials to rule the world. Anybody that tries deserves the bruises that they get."

Again, you beg the question.

Feel free to have the last word. I don't care to participate in a "how low can we go" contest of words.

(But thank you for proving my point about fruits.)
349 posted on 02/02/2005 9:26:50 PM PST by Trinity_Tx (Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
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To: nopardons

I see you, ugly biker and Axel on these threads amongst the doomsayers and the tinfoilers. You give reasoned thought amongst these loons. As I said, I'm not always able to jump in, but will when I can

Thanks


350 posted on 02/03/2005 3:39:56 AM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: editor-surveyor

Reading through your comments, such as they are, to the end of this thread; You fail to answer questions put to you. An easy one - to which denomination do you adhere?

Much like one anti-Masonic poster who claimed to have been a Mason but couldn't recall what office he held nor even respond to the question as to Lodge membership -- passing strange indeed.

You obviously buy into the centuries old conspiracy theory about a plot for global domination by Masons.

Those claims are debunked at http://www.masonicinfo.com

The foundation for your convictions is, as nopardons has pointed out, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Do you believe that document is authentic?

Islamists and Islamic terrorists hate Freemasonry with a passion? Islamists denounce Freemasonry and attack Masons and Lodges. Islamists hate Freemasonry for the same reasons that hate America - think about it. (I'll even give you a hint: freedom, liberty, liberty of the individual conscience, religious freedom, toleration for religious minorities in a given society, opposition to all forms of tyranny, a belief in the equal dignity and worth of all human beings, a desire to see those who suffer helped, etc.).

The anti-Masons on this thread (per usual) are offered fact, substantiated and documented; as well as credible personal testimony by Masons. The anti-Masons simply ignore fact and reply with continued conspiracy theories, ad hominem attacks, straw men, innuendo, condescension and insults.

Every 'Anti-Mason' thread on FR always seems to pan out exactly the same way. It is really very telling.


351 posted on 02/03/2005 6:33:03 AM PST by PresbyRev
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To: uglybiker
Thank you so much for this, I sadly must admit that I was unaware of this statement. But it now gives me some nice ammunition to throw back at those attackers of Masonry who love to quote Albert Pike out of context.

Thanks, Axel.

It's interesting how the naysayers love to make their claims about Albert Pike. Some will go so far as to use one two sentence quotes from Morals and Dogma to back up their case. But they always seem to forget this one:

"The teachings of these readings are not sacramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrne, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgement."

................Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

352 posted on 02/03/2005 7:02:58 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: editor-surveyor

You earlier posted that Tubal-Cain was the first witch mentioned in the Holy Bible. Can you give me the scripture in the Bible that specifically identifies him as such?


353 posted on 02/03/2005 7:18:57 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: editor-surveyor
Nah! I've got a friend that promised that all his friends win, and dying for him is a guarantee of eternal life. Neat, huh?

Not neat at all, sounds more like you are talking about Mohammed than Jesus.

Mohammed asks his followers to die for him, Jesus died for his followers.

354 posted on 02/03/2005 1:33:49 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: nopardons; uglybiker; PresbyRev; 5Madman2
I missed this earlier from editor-surveyor,

Nah! I've got a friend that promised that all his friends win, and dying for him is a guarantee of eternal life. Neat, huh?

I would say it is safe to say that the puppy done gone and messed on the carpet.

355 posted on 02/03/2005 1:38:46 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr; uglybiker; nopardons; PresbyRev

That statement proves that self esteem thing-doesn't matter what the truth is, the truth is whatever you want it to be.

If he can twist that simple concept around, the rest of his mental acrobatics gotta come easy


356 posted on 02/03/2005 2:20:54 PM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: 5Madman2

Thank you and thank you for "jumping in" too,when you can. :-)


357 posted on 02/03/2005 5:18:53 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
True! What kind of a CHRISTIAN says that he must DIE FOR CHRIST,IN ORDER TO BE SAVED?

Well,at least the KOOKS are consistent......consistently goofy!

358 posted on 02/03/2005 5:34:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 5Madman2

Nailed in one. LOL


359 posted on 02/03/2005 5:39:26 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
I sadly must admit that I was unaware of this statement.

What?!! You haven't been reading your 'Bible of Fremasonry'?! How the heck are we supposed to take over the world and enslave all of humanity if you don't know the game plan? I'm reporting you to the overlords nyah,nyah,nyah!

360 posted on 02/03/2005 9:06:30 PM PST by uglybiker (SPES MEA IN DEO EST)
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