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Freemasonry's Influence in Europe
Zenit.org ^ | January 30, 2005 | Zenit

Posted on 01/30/2005 7:07:08 PM PST by AncientAirs

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To: AxelPaulsenJr; nopardons; uglybiker

And to all others on this thread that have defended Freemasonry-Thank you.

As a Mason, and one that values rational thought, I constantly marvel at the intentional ignorance of people like ExSoldier and PaperDoll. What I marvel at even more is how they wrap that ignorance in "Faith" and "Learning"

To the tinfoilers: You need to wrap another layer on. A suggestion: If you make the inner layer with the shiny side in, it keeps your thoughts from leaving. Then put another layer shiny side out to keep the mind control rays from penetrating and reading your deep dark secrets.

Then turn up the rate of your thorazine drip, get a shiny object to go with your Anti-Mason Conspiracy Comic Book and drool quietly in the corner.

Just quit attacking decent people with your ignorance


301 posted on 02/02/2005 7:19:35 AM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: nopardons
For some strange reason,I am unable to fathom,FR allows the KOOKS to spew all manner of vile and erroneous libel against Masons and Shriners,without any consequences.

Oh I'm not so sure that they get away with it with no consequence. In fact I think that any thinking man or woman looking at some of their more stupid utterings, just shake their heads in sadness and wonderment.

Since there are many Masonic and Shriner FREEPERS,as well as the wives, daughters,granddaughters,and nieces of Masons and Shriners here,I don't understand why this is so. Then there is the fact that many of our FFs were Masons and without them,this nation would be something very different...IF it existed at all.

Not to forget the good work that Masons and their affilate bodies do for society in general. Shriner's Hospitals alone each year do millions of dollars worth of free care for burned and crippled children. The York Rite lodge's Eye Foundation each year makes it possible for thousands of needy people to receive free eye care and glasses. And the list goes on and on.

302 posted on 02/02/2005 7:20:28 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: 5Madman2

LOL, thanks for your comments. I especially loved the tin-foil advice.


303 posted on 02/02/2005 7:27:37 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

You're welcome

I often see you on these threads, and appreciate your thoughts. I have no thad much of an opportunity to jump in, but will when I can


304 posted on 02/02/2005 7:32:36 AM PST by 5Madman2 (DemocRATS are Vermin)
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To: uglybiker
"If anything Morals and Dogma will put you to sleep"

Yes, that is how I viewed it at first, as a "seeker," looking for the "great truths," promised by "worshipful master," but later it offered truths that the masters really wished to conceal. It is the true bible of masonry, although those here to 'cool the marks' will attempt to diffuse that fact. It reveals what they truly believe, and what their true goals are. If you want to know who the true enemies of freedom are, you must read it analytically to find their confession.

305 posted on 02/02/2005 8:04:33 AM PST by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor
If you want to know who the true enemies of freedom are

In your view, who are the advocates of freedom, what freedoms do they defend, and how do they go about defending them?

306 posted on 02/02/2005 8:13:19 AM PST by malakhi
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes, that is how I viewed it at first, as a "seeker," looking for the "great truths," promised by "worshipful master," but later it offered truths that the masters really wished to conceal. It is the true bible of masonry,....

What gibberish. The only true bible of Masonry is the Holy Bible.

.... although those here to 'cool the marks' will attempt to diffuse that fact. It reveals what they truly believe, and what their true goals are. If you want to know who the true enemies of freedom are, you must read it analytically to find their confession.

Well let's see now Albert Pike wrote in the late 19th century. We Masons must be doing something wrong, why haven't we taken over the world yet? Or maybe we have and I just haven't got the word? Is W. a Mason? Is he in on the secret?

307 posted on 02/02/2005 8:43:50 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: PresbyRev
One of the posters has made reference to Tubal-Cain being the first witch mentioned in the Bible. Can you shed any light on this?

Thanks, Axel.

308 posted on 02/02/2005 10:01:18 AM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Gen. 4:22
And as for Zillah, she also bore Tubal-Cain, an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. And the sister of Tubal-Cain was Naamah.

Tubal-Cain was not a witch, but rather as Genesis 4 indicates - a worker of metals.


309 posted on 02/02/2005 3:12:39 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, that is how I viewed it at first, as a "seeker," looking for the "great truths," promised by "worshipful master," but later it offered truths that the masters really wished to conceal.




Why would a book be widely published, available in any decent library or today, of course, online - if it contained 'secrets' meant only for the 'masters'? ? Just wondering.


310 posted on 02/02/2005 3:14:20 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: PresbyRev

A link to some good reads on the truth about Freemasonry.


http://www.masonicinfo.com/books/isittrue.htm


311 posted on 02/02/2005 3:16:21 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: Schwaeky

No,only 33 degrees,a lot of the other stuff was just silly/pulling legs things. :-)


312 posted on 02/02/2005 5:01:15 PM PST by nopardons
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To: editor-surveyor; AxelPaulsenJr; PresbyRev
It's interesting how the naysayer love to make their claims about Albert Pike. Some will go so far as to use one two sentece quotes from Morals and Dogma to back up their case. But they always seem to forget this one:

"The teachings of these readings are not scramental, so far as they go beyond the realm of Morality into those of other domains of Thought and Truth. The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite uses the word "Dogma" in its true sense, of doctrne, or teaching; and is not dogmatic in the odious sense of that term. Every one is entirely free to reject and dissent from whatsoever herein may seem to him to untrue or unsound. It is only required of him that he shall weigh what is taught, and give it fair hearing and unprejudiced judgement."

................Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

313 posted on 02/02/2005 5:09:53 PM PST by uglybiker (SPES MEA IN DEO EST)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
Yes it does appear to be a catch as catch can thing,with the Mods.I think that EVERY Mason/spouse,child,grandchild of a Mason should drop Jim a note.Maybe there should be an entire thread,pinging Jim to it,full of the aforementioned. It just is NOT right to allow some people here to post libel on FR!
314 posted on 02/02/2005 5:15:54 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Many thanks. :-)


315 posted on 02/02/2005 5:16:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: malakhi
It's about a LOT of things...re the naysayers.

When the Catholic church went after the Masons,it was a time when it was still VERY antisemitic,called the Jews "CHRIST KILLERS",and told Catholics that there was no such religion as Protestantism...that Protestants were HERITICS who were NOT Christians at all.Add to that,the Catholic church told it's members that they shouldn't associate with non-Catholics socially.

The throw in the money and power bits,stir well,and you get the denouncement of Masons too.

As I said,after the French Revolution,that French priest blamed who for it? THE JEWS AND THE MASONS! WHAT JEWS???????????????????????????????????///

316 posted on 02/02/2005 5:22:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: 5Madman2

Many thanks to YOU,for your post! :-)


317 posted on 02/02/2005 5:24:29 PM PST by nopardons
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

All too true! :-)


318 posted on 02/02/2005 5:25:19 PM PST by nopardons
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To: editor-surveyor
In your overview,then the true enemies of freedom must needs include :

GEORGE WASHINGTIN

THE GREEN MOUNTAIN BOYS AND EVERY MEMBER OF THE BOSTON TEA PARTY

BEN FRANKLIN

JOHN HANCOCK

JAMES MONROE

MARQUIS DE LAFAYETTE

DAVY CROCKETTE

SAM HOUSTON

And so many others,far better men than you'll REVER be!

And yes,most of the above were 32 and 33 degree Masons!

You're just so full of hatred,bile,and spurious,ill-educated,ill informed biases,that it's beyond belief.

319 posted on 02/02/2005 5:34:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
REVER = EVER
320 posted on 02/02/2005 5:37:34 PM PST by nopardons
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