[bvw]

Would Occam's theory accept 22/7ths for pi? So much more simpler. The first theory you gave for the universe is not fully stated. Its only 22/7th-ish. What's missing? Material existance and physics. In that theory those are the gods. The apriori presumption. And the slopist's third is a crock -- why? Because even the slopist first admits imagination and imaginer.

Existance causes itself? Mastrubatory or tautologic. Still a deism. And flawed too, even accorded to Occam.

So what makes G-d a simpler theory? Only that we are as we are. "We are as we are" is not the same as "It all is".

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for your replies!

Would Occam's theory accept 22/7ths for pi? So much more simpler.The first theory you gave for the universe is not fully stated. Its only 22/7th-ish. What's missing? Material existance and physics. In that theory those are the gods. The apriori presumption. And the slopist's third is a crock -- why? Because even the slopist first admits imagination and imaginer.

Existance causes itself? Mastrubatory or tautologic. Still a deism. And flawed too, even accorded to Occam.

So what makes G-d a simpler theory? Only that we are as we are. "We are as we are" is not the same as "It all is".

Indeed. Great points.

The first statement is tortured by the atheists on that website (excerpted at post 1929). It is tortured by omitting to mention that the universe has a beginning and thus an uncaused cause. That omission would cause one to make a false Occam's Razor choice.

When the entire sentence is revealed, Occam's Razor chooses God as the uncaused cause. All the myriad prior causation (multi-verse, branes, etc.) theories are "unnecessary hypotheses" - which, oh by the way, do not defeat the fact that they also had a beginning and thus an "uncaused cause" i.e. God.

Thank you for the additional source information for Higgs!

[js1138]

Ypu are confusing Occam with the Biblical version of Pi.
Occum didn't speak of simplification. He spoke of introducing superfluous, nonfunctional concepts. 22/7 is not a simplification; it is an approximation. More precise values of Pi are not superfluous to the concept of Pi, even if they are unnecessary in a particular engineering application.