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Posted on 01/28/2005 4:28:41 PM PST by metacognative

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To: Doctor Stochastic

And if I've goofed it up, I welcome and acknowledge all corrections.


1,541 posted on 02/02/2005 12:25:07 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: bvw
You're ignoring the apriori assumtion. That the coin and the toss are not rigged.

No. That WAS my assumption as STATED.

1,542 posted on 02/02/2005 12:26:36 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Elsie
[Reference to microbial fission and
"was it good for you?" deleted. ]

Didn't Larson do this already??

He may have.

Please note I may have seen it in Far Side and forgotton (not being a regular reader of Newspapers...)

OR
I may have independently come up with it.

Any applicability to the Crevo debate (independent origin vs. transmission, etc.) is strictly at the readers' discretion, no such applicability was intended.

Cheers!

1,543 posted on 02/02/2005 12:27:10 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: WildTurkey; bvw

What get's me is folks who think that just because a lotto's number has not been seen lately, that it MUST, therefore, be coming up shortly.

As if the past would influence the future somehow.


1,544 posted on 02/02/2005 12:27:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: WildTurkey; betty boop
Thank you for your reply and the two challenges! The first one I did not understand at all. Would you kindly rephrase it? On to the second point:

2) Evolution is impossible since it contradicts the 2nd law of thermodynamics (entropy).

The Theory of Evolution does not contradict any physical laws. Young Earth Creationism, OTOH, requires a contradiction of physical laws - i.e. a "miracle". Intelligent Design objections do not contradict physical laws.

It is however a most important feature of life - which sets it apart from non-life and death that the reduction of uncertainty in the receiver or molecular machine in going from a before state to an after state (Shannon, information) dissipates energy to the local surroundings (2nd law of thermodynamics).

Channel Capacity of Molecular Machines and Energy Dissipation from Molecular Machines

IOW, living systems must pay the thermodynamic tab. It is the manner in which that is accomplished which distinguishes that which is alive from that which is dead or not alive. (Information Theory and Molecular Biology)

1,545 posted on 02/02/2005 12:27:33 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Elsie

Rigged "beyond any reasonable doubt" to use the criminal court terminology. Still, as you say possible. Just almost perfectly impossible.


1,546 posted on 02/02/2005 12:27:57 PM PST by bvw
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To: WildHorseCrash
Religion, on the other hand, is all about faith, hope and belief . If you are a Christian, you have a book, written by men, that you believe was inspired by God. There is no real proof of this, you just believe it. You believe it because of faith, which is belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. You do it out of a hope for something--eternal life--for which there is no objective proof.

This is not exactly right.

there ARE some things that are 'provable'.

1,547 posted on 02/02/2005 12:30:02 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Even under ideal conditions, you're still much faster than kudzu ;)


1,548 posted on 02/02/2005 12:31:08 PM PST by general_re (How come so many of the VKs have been here six months or less?)
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To: colorado tanker
On the other hand, I don't think it necessarily follows that the only other explanation is design by a creator, I'm open to that but it strikes me as an unproven hypothesis. The creation of new species could also be the result of a biological process we don't yet understand, it seems to me.

Well put!

It drives me crazy how freeper darwinists claim everybody that questions darwinism is a "creationist"

1,549 posted on 02/02/2005 12:32:22 PM PST by Last Visible Dog
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To: WildTurkey

I'm PANTING my fool head off just trying to stay even!


1,550 posted on 02/02/2005 12:32:59 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Years ago I looked at the payouts the 3-number lotto sequences in an early NJ lottery. There was considerable variance in the payouts. People played lower numbers in any position more heavily and avoided triples and pairs. Enough to make a profit on it? I forget ...


1,551 posted on 02/02/2005 12:33:18 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw
What species is a jackass, by that I mean a mule?

It's not a species. It's a hybrid of two different species. (H. assinus x H. caballas.)

1,552 posted on 02/02/2005 12:34:01 PM PST by WildHorseCrash
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To: AntiGuv
The organic biomass is continually being synthesized at various base levels of the ecological hierarchy.

Where can I learn about this???

1,553 posted on 02/02/2005 12:34:26 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry

People often make the mistake of using "crossstream" (inferences from a population of sequencess of a given length, sometimes called "weak") computations to model "downstream" (inferences along a given sequence, sometimes called "strong") computations. Coin tossing (and similar models) are not intuitive at all. For example, in a single game of heads and tails, it is most likely that either H or T is "ahead" most of the time. Crossings are rare.


1,554 posted on 02/02/2005 12:36:09 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Alamo-Girl
The first one I did not understand at all. Would you kindly rephrase it?

Thank you. As to the first. There is a website (as soon as I find it I will post it) that has a "detailed" statistical evalution assuming certain parameters as to cell structure and years available, etc. that concludes that the possibility of the number of "random" changes inoder to end with the present "man" is statisticaly too many (very low probability) for the number of years and (wave the hand) evolution is therefore impossible.

1,555 posted on 02/02/2005 12:36:41 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildHorseCrash

And is can it propagate?


1,556 posted on 02/02/2005 12:37:26 PM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

Say............

...are we still talking about coin flips or Evolution as a fact here????


1,557 posted on 02/02/2005 12:37:39 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
You can learn about it in any grade school, but for the time being start here.
1,558 posted on 02/02/2005 12:38:50 PM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: WildHorseCrash

Sorry, my fingers slurred. "And can it propagate?"


1,559 posted on 02/02/2005 12:38:51 PM PST by bvw
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To: Last Visible Dog
It drives me crazy how freeper darwinists claim everybody that questions darwinism is a "creationist"

Can't keep all the players straight. Put in in your tag line or sign the post and I will do my best to make the proper reference.

1,560 posted on 02/02/2005 12:39:10 PM PST by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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