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Gone Wobbly: Peggy Noonan is still looking for her lost mojo.
The American Spectator ^ | January 28, 2005 | Patrick O’Hannigan

Posted on 01/27/2005 9:16:49 PM PST by quidnunc

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To: quidnunc

I think you've found the answer. :-)


61 posted on 01/27/2005 9:53:03 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

LOL...well that's one way of putting it. :-)


62 posted on 01/27/2005 9:54:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: California Patriot

"One, if an ostracism of Peggy Noonan is reason enough for you to ruin our party's chances in the next election, you are intellectually incapable of distinguishing big things from tiny ones"

Ostracism of the likes of Noonan will just be the beginning. You cannot maintain a majority by pissing off people (like Noonan fans) who admire the majority of her work and remember her fondly as a Daughter of the Reagan Revolution. Today its Noonan, tomorrow its Indepedents, then Moderates.

We need more congress-criters in 06 so Bush can get his nominees to SCOTUS. This kind of BS is not the way to do it. Learn to maintain a Majority Party by disagreeing with, not attacking, your own. I've seen this kind of behavior from Republicans before - knock it off before it becomes a pattern.


63 posted on 01/27/2005 9:54:51 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: Fenris6
Robust restatement of American principle anchored in Natural Law didn't go over with Noonan, and she's said why in her elegant way twice now. My guess is that in addition to her stated reasons (which I believe), she writes so much from the heart that she's let her mind atrophy. It ought to give her pause that none other than Jordanian dung heap Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi's rant against the "evil principle of democracy" stands as perverse confirmation of the wisdom of playing to American strengths. Sadly, it does not.

That'll probably leave a mark.

64 posted on 01/27/2005 9:56:32 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: nopardons
I guess I'm about to criticize her personally, but I have never felt comfortable about Peggy Noonan. In my mind she epitomizes snobbery, right down to the effected voice, insincere smile, tilted head stance, and occasional hair flip. My guess is that working around her would be maddening, but hey, I could be wrong.

On the speech, I think enough time has passed to conclude the sky did not fall as a result. Peggy didn't like it but there was no reason to panic. She thought the speech would somehow give justification to our enemies that we are "immature." Nonsense.

65 posted on 01/27/2005 9:57:02 PM PST by Williams
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To: Fenris6

She did it to herself, get over it.


66 posted on 01/27/2005 9:57:03 PM PST by John Lenin (Liberals: Can't live with them, I can live without them ...)
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To: nopardons
nopardons wrote: When Peggy first started to go off track,I called her a HACK here and got yelled at. I was right,they were wrong,and sometimes Peggy writes garbage columns,sticking both feet in her mouth,and jumping.

Nobody's gainsaying her ability to string word together, it's the cognitions behind her wordsmithing that makes one shake one's head more in sorrow than in anger.

My impression is that she's develped an entirely inflated opinion of her place in the scheme of things.

To hear her tell it, presidents are just empty vessels until their staffs give them marching orders.

67 posted on 01/27/2005 9:57:50 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
"Here's what I think may be the burr under her saddle.."

I already read that post and I see her feeling rejected. Now she's in a bad mood. Working a campaign is different from policy-formation. She needs to be brought back in and told about current situations. Except Bush demands to have a fresh outlook for America. Goss is in the process of emptying the CIA of democrats. Rice is going to empty State of democrats. Rumsfeld is hated for firing democrats from Defense. The new Attorney General is going to clean house in Justice too.

Bush is tired of BS from these agencies.

Bush has the handle of 5000 different jobs and he's firing people. That's a GOOD THING.

68 posted on 01/27/2005 9:58:00 PM PST by BobS
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To: John Lenin
Peggy who?

Darn it, John. You beat me by 25 minutes. :)

69 posted on 01/27/2005 9:59:25 PM PST by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a conservative.)
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To: John Lenin

I didn't see that. That is really a sad, sad shame.


70 posted on 01/27/2005 10:00:14 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: Fenris6

I'm sure that 100s of thousands of Noonan fans, like you, will sit on their can and let the Dems take seats in '06 if Noonan gets a sound and deserved drubbing from the common folk. You are delusional.


71 posted on 01/27/2005 10:00:23 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Fenris6
I will ask again: where has anybody personally attacked Peggy Noonan?

From all I've read on this thread, we are simply disagreeing with her brain-dead remarks on Bush's inaugural, and her equally dopey defense of those remarks.

Peggy is simply out of step with the vast majority of the rest of her party. It is she who is driving a wedge into the GOP, not those of us who, for the life of us, are trying to figure out what the hell has come over her.

72 posted on 01/27/2005 10:01:25 PM PST by sinkspur ("Preach the gospel. If necessary, use words.")
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

Her timing for bad articles is astounding, Like I said, this time it backfired, if they are intentional.


73 posted on 01/27/2005 10:01:55 PM PST by John Lenin (Liberals: Can't live with them, I can live without them ...)
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To: Williams
Williams wrote: I guess I'm about to criticize her personally, but I have never felt comfortable about Peggy Noonan. In my mind she epitomizes snobbery, right down to the effected voice, insincere smile, tilted head stance, and occasional hair flip. My guess is that working around her would be maddening, but hey, I could be wrong.

Did you ever notice how closely her mannerisms resemble those of the late Princess Diana?

74 posted on 01/27/2005 10:02:10 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Williams
BRAVO!

Where,oh where were you,when I was getting beaten up here,for stating the bleeding obvious about Peggy? LOL

Her sickeningly sweet columns,her wild swings for and then disgustingly anti-President Bush,and everything in between,makes Peggy the HACK I rightly called her.

And on the personal side,you have her nailed. That twee flirtatious school girl act,at her age,is laughable and annoying.

75 posted on 01/27/2005 10:02:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: quidnunc

Makes sense to me. In Chapter 14 of her book "What I Saw at the Revolution," she compared Reagan to a bobbing Macy's Thanksgiving Day balloon head.


76 posted on 01/27/2005 10:04:01 PM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

She will never fully recover from this one.


77 posted on 01/27/2005 10:05:34 PM PST by John Lenin (Liberals: Can't live with them, I can live without them ...)
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To: quidnunc
True,but she IS a hack writer,often writing pathetically bad columns,wordsmith or no (and not all of her columns contain brilliant word play!),because she has a certain amount of space to fill and a deadline.
78 posted on 01/27/2005 10:05:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Darkwolf377
Even if she is wrong, do we have to toss her over the side of the boat so reflexively when someone doesn't tow the party line?

I'm a Peggy fan and I'm definitely not for throwing her "over the side". But I believe Peggy is dead wrong in her critique, for a specific reason:

Peggy, who reminds me of my mother in her calm, thoughtful, introspective writing, is a woman. Because of that, she -- like my mother (and most women) -- shys away from controversial language and confrontational statements. Ann Coulter is the exception, not the rule.

This, though, was a speech that was intended to be both challenging and confrontational -- on what amounts to a man-to-man basis (or President-to-tyrant, so to speak). Consequently, Peggy bridled at "man talk"...and words she never would have written herself.

In other words, it's a "gender thing". And I don't believe Peggy will ever understand why she's wrong on this one.

79 posted on 01/27/2005 10:05:51 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: nutmeg

read later bump


80 posted on 01/27/2005 10:06:59 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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