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Bush family traced back to invader of Ireland (Bush's Fault Alert:)
Globe and Mail ^ | 27 Jan 2005 | Agence France-Presse

Posted on 01/27/2005 5:09:57 PM PST by Cornpone

DUBLIN -- U.S. President George W. Bush is descended from Norman nobleman Richard de la Clare, known as Strongbow, who led the invasion of Ireland in the 12th century, genealogists said yesterday.

Mr. Bush is also descended from the Celtic king of the Irish province of Leinster, Dermot McMurrough, who was denounced as a traitor and whose daughter Aoife married Strongbow. The Bush family is already aware that it is descended from Norman gentry who lived in England in the late Middle Ages. But Irish historian Ann Griffin Bernstorff found the Irish genealogical link by working on the Ross, one of the biggest tapestries in Europe that retraces the birth of New Ross, founded in 1207 by William Marshall, son of Strongbow.

Separated by 30 generations, Mr. Bush is a direct descendant of William Marshall, who was married to Isabelle de Clare.

"It's all very intriguing really," Ms. Griffin Bernstorff told the Irish Times.

"We had heard rumours that this was a possibility, then one of our committee members had a Republican friend in Chicago," she said. "We got the genealogy chart from there and made the link to the de Clare family. It's an ancient Irish family, one of the oldest on the island, stretching back to the mists of time."

Mr. Bush is also descended from Anne Marbury Hutchinson, an English Puritan who arrived in America in 1634 aboard the Griffin and who settled in Boston.

According to the family tree established by Anne and Alexis Bernstorff, Anne Marbury was a direct descendant of Anglo-Norman nobleman John the Strange, and before him Gilbert the Red, Gilbert de Clare, count of Gloucester and Hereford.

Gilbert the Red, who married Joan of England, daughter of King Edward I, was none other than the grandson of William Marshall, whom the Plantagenets called the finest flower of chivalry.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons
KEYWORDS: bush; genealogy; ireland
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To: Cornpone
Wish the hell I knew of whom I descended - I'd like to kick his / their tail(s) - their genes aren't worth a damn - 'course I've done as little with 'em as possible.

Aw, it is good to be able to blame someone for your shortcomings!

41 posted on 01/27/2005 6:14:16 PM PST by RAY (They that do right are all heroes!)
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To: Cornpone

My wife is also a direct descendant of William Marshal and Isabella de Clare. They had nine children, to my knowledge and there are probably millions of people in the US today who are descendants of these two.


42 posted on 01/27/2005 6:15:28 PM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Cornpone
"I am George the Bush, of the Clan Marshall. There can be only ONE!"

-PJ

43 posted on 01/27/2005 6:21:06 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I have the power!!;-)


44 posted on 01/27/2005 6:24:37 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: Cornpone

Distant genealogy gets pretty wacky. For example, consider at this range (30 generations), assuming that there wasn't overlap and inbreeding among all the lines that led to the President (which there was), he would have had 2 raised to the 30th power ancestors. That is 1,073,741,824. Over a billion. There weren't even actually a billion people in the whole world yet.

Virtually any who can fully trace their ancestry for 30 generations is almost guaranteed to have multiple relations with anyone else, at least from the same continent.


45 posted on 01/27/2005 6:25:08 PM PST by blanknoone (The two big battles left in the War on Terror are against our State dept and our media.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew; silent_jonny

" Actually, Kerry's paternal grandfather is Jewish. His original family name is "Kohn" not "Kerry"

That's what always drove me crazy about Kerry, well, actually one of many things.
Kerry knew his mother's side was English and yet, Kerry claimed that it was not until the Boston Globe did a genealogical search in 2003
that he discovered he was, in fact , the grandson of Austrian immigrants and not Irish immigrants.

His grandparents Fritz and Ida Kohn emigrated to the US, when they were in their early 30s , late 20s respectively.
While the grandfather killed himself before Kerry was born, his grandmother Ida lived until he was 17.
Grandma Ida must have spoken with an accent and it was not an Irish brogue.
I also find it hard to believe that Bubbe Ida , even though a convert to Catholicism, would have abandoned all of her Yiddish idioms ,especially the terms of endearment.
And the media played along with Kerry's charade.
Not one of them dared ask Kerry-
" Senator, when your Grandmother spoke and her accent was similar to Arnold Schwarzenegger or Wolfgang Puck-
could that have been a hint that you weren't Irish ? "


46 posted on 01/27/2005 6:28:33 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: blanknoone
"Distant genealogy gets pretty wacky."

I know. We already know that everyone is descended from Lucy but Robert Mugabe from Zimbabwe is the only surviving, direct descendant which is why he has a legitimate claim to the entire planet...sorry to digress. I'm just desperately searching for some way to defend my property rights.

47 posted on 01/27/2005 6:29:58 PM PST by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Hit'em in the Head)
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To: onyx
This ping is for you.

Thanks.

I'm struggling here with a right response to Bush'a fault posters. Who have got on my last nerve.

Moose and cheese keeps rattling in me brain.....

48 posted on 01/27/2005 6:38:13 PM PST by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor.)
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To: blanknoone

And without just one of them in the line, not one of us would be here. Think on that one for a second. Just one, one person missing and we are not born. Simple maybe a stupid thought? Yes, but I say its a amazing a lot of people are even here. There were wars, plagues, starvations and what not.


49 posted on 01/27/2005 6:38:54 PM PST by crz
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To: Cornpone
then one of our committee members had a Republican friend in Chicago," she said. "We got the genealogy chart from there

This is only slightly more reliable than getting your genealogy charts faxed from Kinkos. I mean now we are being asked to believe in the mythical Chicago republican.
50 posted on 01/27/2005 6:44:29 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Mercat

Hey, I'm descended from Elizabeth Plantagenet also. And from her husband Humphrey de Bohun VIII, 4th Earl of Hereford and Essex. As is most of England I'll bet.


51 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:05 PM PST by rustbucket
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To: Cornpone

Next thing we'll hear is that George W. Bush can be traced back to Adam and Eve. Imagine


52 posted on 01/27/2005 6:45:22 PM PST by queenkathy (Had a BALL meeting as many of you as I could.)
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To: Cornpone

I am related to President Bush through his mother, as we share a common Mayflower descendent, a boy who came over at the age of 16 by the name of Henry Samson. Professional geneologists have traced Henry Samson back to a man by the name of Wido de Reinbudcourt, a doomsday governor under William the Conquerer- so Bush is related to him, too.


53 posted on 01/27/2005 6:50:40 PM PST by gringo_in_Akita
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To: Cornpone

Wow, if this is true, I'm related to President Bush!


54 posted on 01/27/2005 6:53:27 PM PST by EllaMinnow (Every time a leftist cries, an angel gets its wings.)
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To: BenLurkin

Mmm, you have fine taste in cider, sir!


55 posted on 01/27/2005 7:00:31 PM PST by Slainte
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To: Cornpone
BUSHHEART
56 posted on 01/27/2005 7:01:15 PM PST by Splatter (A foolish man is able to learn, has the opportunity, and does not do it..)
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To: Splatter
BUSHHEART--Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds, and if he were here he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his ass. I am George Bush, and I see before me an army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny. You have come to fight as free men, and free men you are. What would you do without freedom? Will you fight?
57 posted on 01/27/2005 7:08:54 PM PST by Splatter (A foolish man is able to learn, has the opportunity, and does not do it..)
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To: silent_jonny

I thought "John the Strange" was the guy GWB just beat in November!


58 posted on 01/27/2005 7:12:01 PM PST by still_learning (Don't you all miss Teresa Heinz Kerry?)
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To: Cornpone

As if the Irish don't hate Bush enough. F-them.


59 posted on 01/27/2005 7:24:10 PM PST by montag813
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Bryan Sykes' recent book Adam's Curse has a chapter on Somerled: "The Y-Chromosome of Somhairle Mor." He argues that the DNA evidence shows that Somerled's paternal ancestry was Norse (some had argued that it was Celtic based on Irish genealogies that have been preserved). He found that the heads of the clans which claim to be descended from Somerled have the same Y-chromosome, indicating common ancestry. The proportion of other men with those surnames who carry that Y-chromosome varies from one family to another.
60 posted on 01/27/2005 7:48:05 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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