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Houston Bus Riders Can Take Guns Aboard
Dallas Morning News ^

Posted on 01/27/2005 3:28:02 PM PST by NativeTexun

Houston transit riders can carry guns 04:32 PM CST on Thursday, January 27, 2005 HOUSTON – Houston area residents licensed to carry concealed handguns can now take their weapons aboard buses and light rail trains. The board of the Metropolitan Transit Authority of Harris County on Thursday repealed its long-standing ban of concealed weapons. The transit authority, also known as Metro, had banned such weapons on its buses and trains since 1995, when the Legislature voted to allow licensed owners to carry concealed handguns in most public places. In 2003, the state amended the concealed handgun law to prevent Texas cities from banning such weapons from public buildings. In response to the change in the law, Metro officials on Thursday voted to amend their policy to now prohibit the unlawful carrying of such weapons. "I think Metro was not enthusiastic about people carrying handguns on board, but we cannot legally ban people who are legally carrying those handguns from being on Metro," said David Wolff, Metro's chairman. The change in Metro's policy was sparked by a lawsuit filed in October 2003 by several organizations. "Metro is to be commended. They did the right thing. They did the lawful thing. They saved their ratepayers unnecessary funds to litigate it further," said Texas General Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson, who is chairman of the Civil Liberties Defense Foundation, one of the groups that filed the lawsuit.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; guns; handguns; houston; publictransit; rkba; texas
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
I’m all for legalised gun ownership but isn’t this a little extreme? Somehow I can imagine that people who ride on busses have a social obligation to respect the wishes of others (i.e. those who do not feel secure around firearms).
I used to work a late shift, in a not very good neighborhood, at a job that didn't pay enough for me to own a car.
For somebody in this situation, maybe they are perfectly safe and have no need for a handgun when they are on the bus, but having the means for self-defense could be a matter of life-or-death while waiting at the bus stop, or walking home in the dark after they get off at the other end. If you are forbidden to possess your licensed carry firearm (concealed) on the bus, you lose the ability to protect yourself before, and after.

Same argument goes with banning CHL inside stores.

One would not smoke on a public bus service for similar reasons…
Sure, but you don't see the city banning people from carrying a concealed pack of Marlboro's while riding the bus.
21 posted on 01/27/2005 3:50:55 PM PST by Nonesuch (For more on CHL, see http://www.packing.org/)
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To: WestCoastGal; Squantos; glock rocks; Eaker

Ping


22 posted on 01/27/2005 3:53:39 PM PST by ChefKeith (Apply here to be added to the NASCAR Ping List, Daytona is comming soon...)
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
I’m all for legalised gun ownership but isn’t this a little extreme?

Depends in what state, but not really. Those who are licensed to carry have the lowest crime rate of any group of citizens.

In fact, I would not know which of those on the bus are carrying or not. That's they whole point of concealed carry. The criminals don't know who is or is not carrying.

23 posted on 01/27/2005 3:54:24 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("We clearly screwed up on the communications," Detroit Mayor Kilpatrick - after caught in a lie.)
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK

"An Armed Society is A Polite Society" Robert Heinlein


24 posted on 01/27/2005 4:03:01 PM PST by Vaquero
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
Although equally it could be said that now we are allowing potential hostage takers onto busses with firearms.

Oh, I see, you think that potential hostage takers were waiting for a law to make it legal for permit holders to carry before getting on a bus or train, etc. with a firearm. Of course they would. Anyone thinking about taking public transportation hostage wouldn't dream of doing it illegally now would they? They were just waiting so they wouldn't break any laws before taking a bunch of people hostage, and that is assuming they have a carrry permit.

The stupidity of some people is not to be believed. Yes, I mean you, feel free to take offense because I did at your post!

25 posted on 01/27/2005 4:07:33 PM PST by calex59
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
And of course...
26 posted on 01/27/2005 4:12:13 PM PST by Heartland Hattie (I learned everything I needed to know about Islam on 9/11.)
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To: LtKerst
I really liked your retort to our British cousin, especially the reference to being "bred to obey."

Unfortunately, those folks probably do believe at this point in their indoctrination that guns are evil and those who carry them are just itching for a reason to slap leather and gun down innocent bystanders.

27 posted on 01/27/2005 4:13:25 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
"isn’t this a little extreme?"

Not at all. They require that safeties be kept on while boarding or debusing. Children under the age of five are not permitted to handle weapons without an adult supervising. And no weapon may be allowed to intrude into the personal space of other passengers.

28 posted on 01/27/2005 4:17:03 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: basil
"Metro was not enthusiastic about people carrying handguns on board,"

Of course not. When it's time for their bus drivers to get off work they just pull over to the side of the street, park the bus and leave.

Passengers have to wait for another driver to arrive.

But maybe now the driver will be a little less eager to abandon the passengers.

29 posted on 01/27/2005 4:26:17 PM PST by bayourod (America, the greatest nation in history is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants are an asset.)
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
Somehow I can imagine that people who ride on busses have a social obligation to respect the wishes of others (i.e. those who do not feel secure around firearms).

I don't feel secure on a train when someone is reading a book by Michael Moore. But, I feel no social obligation to have the book forcibly removed from him. If you don't like guns, don't own one.

30 posted on 01/27/2005 4:36:09 PM PST by John Thornton ("Appeasers always hope that the crocodile will eat them last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK
I’m all for legalised gun ownership but isn’t this a little extreme? Somehow I can imagine that people who ride on busses have a social obligation to respect the wishes of others (i.e. those who do not feel secure around firearms). One would not smoke on a public bus service for similar reasons…

No it isn't extreme, the gun must be concealed, those who do not feel comfortable around firearms won't know it is there.

The difference is, were someone to smoke on a public bus, it would be obvious to everyone in the bus.

31 posted on 01/27/2005 4:37:07 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: Nonesuch

If a gangsta was robbing and raping one of these people "unconfortable" with concealed guns, do you think she would tell me to go away if I tried to rescue her with my .38 Special?


32 posted on 01/27/2005 4:38:54 PM PST by John Thornton ("Appeasers always hope that the crocodile will eat them last." Winston Churchill)
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To: NativeTexun

BTTT


33 posted on 01/27/2005 4:39:14 PM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK

Should people who ride buses be required to leave their rights at the curb? Worse, they'd be defenseless walking to and from the bus stop. Many who ride buses do so because they can't afford to drive, so I favor not only this change, but also the availability of inexpensive handguns because a person's rights should not be contingent on their ability to afford a $500-1,000 pistol. And, for the most part, armed citizens only need a gun that will go "bang" that one time they need it.

You say you're "for legalised gun ownership". That could mean you favor you and your friends being able to have them for your own reasons, but maybe not "the masses"? Maybe you're also "for legalised free speech" as long as it doesn't become too extreme?

Any non-felon has the right to carry a firearm anywhere he damn well pleases. I have a permit and I follow the laws because I don't want the hassle of not doing so, but the laws are still wrong.


34 posted on 01/27/2005 4:39:45 PM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: NativeTexun

EVERYONE will be safer.


35 posted on 01/27/2005 4:42:27 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK

Wake up and smell the blood. The biggest problem with public transit is lingering in a "target zone" waiting for the vehicle to arrive. Likewise when you get off.

The people most likely to "be offended" are the criminals (people who don't obey the law) who like their victims unarmed.


36 posted on 01/27/2005 4:43:41 PM PST by Woodworker
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK

Wake up and smell the dictionary. Criminal: someone who doesn't obey the law. So, why would a criminal obey any law about carrying weapons anywhere?


37 posted on 01/27/2005 4:45:12 PM PST by Woodworker
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To: Unknown_quantity_UK

And one should clean the drunks off their streets in residential neighborhoods so the children could play in their yards!!

Busy yourself in the UK.


38 posted on 01/27/2005 5:15:58 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: bayourod

Good thinking!


39 posted on 01/27/2005 5:16:29 PM PST by B4Ranch (Don't remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: NativeTexun

My family lived in Houston for a number of years, and damn I love that town! Maybe the hero with the fastest draw will rein supreme just like in the old westerns. Here's hoping they pop the bad guys right between their eyes.


40 posted on 01/27/2005 5:24:17 PM PST by conservativecorner
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