Posted on 01/25/2005 2:29:55 PM PST by submarinerswife
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Make that Ft Point, under the south tower of the Golden Gate Bridge. Ft Mason is a couple of miles East, just before one gets to fisherman's wharf.
Can't speak to whether or not that's the cruiser San Francisco, but the looks of her seem appropriate.
No, heavy cruiser. Built at Mare Island Naval Shipyard in the 1930s. Here's a photo, same vintage as the painting, of her coming back to Mare Island to repair Battle of Guadacanal damage. Cicles are shell hits on side (Stbd) shown.
Ahh, another nautical lore afficianado! In olden days, that was indeed the necessary side to tie up on. Why? Because the starboard (right) side was the 'steering board' (get it??) side and a skipper didn't want to damage his steering board (rudder in modern usage) banging it into the typically stone quays in ports of the period. So he'd moor on the non-starboard (or port) side.
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Imagine a depth charge going off (1000 lbs equivalent of TNT) going off a few feet away from the hull.
No thank you. If one goes off that close, I know darned right well that the fuse was set way too short when we dropped it. :=)
You are APPROXIMATELY correct. On the LA class, the pressure hull (aka 'the people tank') is behind both the sonar dome (bow) and the forward ballast tanks (1 A & B through 3 A & B).
The photo seems to show that - at least topside - the ballast tanks are not crushed... however the sonar dome is history. My understanding from previous threads is that portions of the forward-most ballast tanks are 'accordioned' below the surface, so that is a big deal... and the reason why she rides 'bow low' in the water.
As to other posts that say she is 'toast' and will be decommisioned, I wouldn't want to be premature. Ballast tanks and a new sonar sphere/dome are perfectly doable at 'reasonable cost'. However if the pressure hull itself has been deformed, then all bets are off.
- Old time sub guy
The entire circumstances of the accident may never be known -- but, in this landlubber's opinion, the captain and crew deserve recognition for saving the boat.
I agree with you 100%. Hitting an uncharted underwater mountain is not grounds for re-assignment for the captain IMHO. But rules are rules.
I'd like to take some scuba gear and dive under the sub to see the extent of the damage.I bet the hull is kinked in the middle.
The prone guy in the harness is apparently removing anechoic panels, maybe to provide weld points for ??? The cofferdam being worked on topside is to facilitate weapons offload as I understand it. Note the airhoses connected to the MBT vents; the overall bubble looks to be closer to standard surface condition - maybe there have been some patches to damaged MBTs, at least 2B? There is no air connected to MBT 1A/B, so I guess they are kaput. Finally, if you scan down the side of the hull on a line even with the visible (#2A & B?) MBT vents it seems to me you can see some wrinkling of the outer hull of the MBT. (For those non-submariners reading this, we're NOT talking about wrinkling of the pressure hull, or 'people tank'.)
And once again, Deck Gang gets the "fun" jobs. At least he can trust his shipmates.
Remember Andy's Shack, the on-base beer joint? Dodging water buffaloes to get to the Acey-Deucy club up on the hill?
And speaking of deck gangs, I did deck ape thing when I qualified on Scamp. But what a blast to drive that hot rod when underway!
Thanks for the ping.
Seeing the boat and that green water makes me homesick. :-)
There are definitely wrinkles up forward on the MBTs as you have stated.
rddesigns has a couple of other good pics. Thanks for the link.
ohh my *LOL* they still sell that shirt in some of the corner stores here in Groton!
They're probably installing a belly-band over the MBT grates and whatever damage on the port side.
Gawd, check out the wrinking on the starboard side, under the MBT-1 vents. Yeow!
I'm a retired army guy. I know each of our services have their own traditions, etc., but it rankles me that in the picture we have the enlisted guys working hard and the officer just standing around "supervising."
In the army, officers lead by doing, not by standing around with their thumb up their a.. I've always wondered why things are so different in the navy. Once, when I was TDY at Ft. Monroe, I went to the Norfolk Navy yard and took a tour of the Teddy Rosevelt. Really interesting seeing a carrier up close. What i found most remarkable was that when i started chating with some enlisted guys below deck, they were amazed that an army officer would even talk to them! I thought wow, the navy really is different.
Later in my career, i lived in quarters on a base used by all the services. My next door neighbor was a navy fighter pilot on a tour away from the fleet (never knew what he did). The guy didn't have a clue about how to relate to other people (though i'm sure he was a good pilot) and seemed to have a rather high opinion of himself. Course I was pretty happy to have him shovel my walk after he lost our bet on the outcome of the army-navy game.
Flame away folks,
/rant
Like most americans who love their country, I'm very impressed with the way the Navy was able to so quickly recover this sub and minimize casualties.
Also, being a landlubber, I'm very impressed these things could go 30+ knots underwater. To me, that almost defies the laws of physics. Must be an incredibly powerful powerplant on those subs.
"Nothing" is exacly what we want O-Division doing because if they tried to "something" they'd be in the way. :)
Seriously, there is a long standing and necessary division between officers and men on ships which stems for the need for absolute authority when underway.
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