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Torture in Iraq Still Routine, Report Says (By Iraqis NOT US)
Washington Post/MSNBC ^ | 01/25/2005 | Doug Struck

Posted on 01/25/2005 2:00:34 AM PST by drt1

Detainees beaten, shocked by Iraqi jailers, rights group finds

Twenty months after Saddam Hussein's government was toppled and its torture chambers unlocked, Iraqis are again being routinely beaten, hung by their wrists and shocked with electrical wires, according to a report by a human rights organization.

Iraqi police, jailers and intelligence agents, many of them holding the same jobs they had under Hussein, are "committing systematic torture and other abuses" of detainees, Human Rights Watch said in a report to be released Tuesday....

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; prisoner; torture
'Human Rights Watch' so take this with appropriate grain of Salt..
1 posted on 01/25/2005 2:00:34 AM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

Nah, perhaps not, but even then it's understandable. I mean this: we don't have to scold HRW beforehand. Even if it is the truth it is no news. It's been this way ever since Man took over the planet. In every tyranny that's been overthrown, the old guard system had to be employed, for better or for good. And it is in their genes to go with the old routines, they can't help it themselves and will continue for sometime to act according to their nature. Rome wasn't built in a day. See Russia after Gorbachev, or the old GDR, or Rumania, or...the list is endless. It does not surprise me in the least and does not detract anything from the good intentions of the Iraq Invasion.


2 posted on 01/25/2005 2:06:32 AM PST by Inspector Morse
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To: drt1

Yeah tell me about it. Reading anti-American New York Times stories every day HAS been torture.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 2:08:46 AM PST by thoughtomator (Favorite Dish: Spotted Owl Teriyaki)
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To: Inspector Morse
Agree. Just more grist for the anti-war mill offered up by one of the usual suspects.
4 posted on 01/25/2005 2:09:51 AM PST by drt1
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To: drt1

Iraq never signed the Geneva Conventions. Go pound salt commies.


5 posted on 01/25/2005 2:11:17 AM PST by John Lenin (You have to be a lunatic yourself to appeal to the RAT base)
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To: drt1

Sorry, I even am guilty of an unintentional laugh. To read that HRW discovered that guards from Saddam's regime make dirty hands now and presenting that as a news item IS funny, no? Here you have the not-so-nice guarding the godawful out of necessity, and you expect it to function like Kindergarten?
HRW perhaps must not be distrusted until proven guilty, but one MAY very well laugh them out loud in their collective faces for all their rosy naivity.
IM.


6 posted on 01/25/2005 2:22:21 AM PST by Inspector Morse
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To: Inspector Morse

Could it be "PAYBACK?" The jailers are now the jailed.

Don't you just love how these groups work? They don't say a damn thing when these murderous regimes are torturing people, cutting out their tounges and ears, and various other body parts,
But scream blue murder if these savages don't get steak 3 times a day once they are overthrown and jailed.


7 posted on 01/25/2005 2:38:30 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: drt1
Iraqi police, jailers and intelligence agents, many of them holding the same jobs they had under Hussein

Yes, I'm sure the Iraqis and we are using the old Baathist elite to torture and guard the, err, captured Baathist elite. Do these people even think before they make such absurd accusations?!?
8 posted on 01/25/2005 2:46:53 AM PST by swilhelm73 (Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian)
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To: drt1

I was flipping through the channels over the weekend and heard a story about a BEHEADING VIDEO that was out in the open.
The reporter was saying you could see people walking by and cars driving by. I looked for the story on Fox and other news stations, but I didn't see anything.
Very weird!


9 posted on 01/25/2005 3:11:26 AM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: drt1

It's long overdue for summary executions of captured "insurgents". Let Human Rights Watch scream but I have a sense that the Iraqi population would cheer.


10 posted on 01/25/2005 4:51:04 AM PST by Ford4000
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

I think that happened in Ramadi.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 7:03:03 AM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: drt1
What you don't often see about Iraq on the nightly news or the pages of newspapers... Good news from Iraq, Part 19
12 posted on 01/25/2005 7:26:21 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: pitinkie

"I think that happened in Ramadi."

Thanks for writing to me about this; I was beginning to wonder if I dreamed it. LOL
Did the mainstream news pick up this story? I found it quite chilling.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 12:18:04 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

I think I only read about it online.

6:59 a.m. January 21, 2005

RAMADI, Iraq – Militants loyal to al Qaeda ally Abu Musab al-Zarqawi beheaded an Iraqi soldier in a rebel stronghold in broad daylight on Friday and left a note warning other Iraqi troops to quit, witnesses said.

They said nine men pulled up in two cars to the centre of Ramadi, dragged the soldier out of one of the vehicles and cut off his head as residents looked on.


They left the body, dressed in army fatigues, in the street with the severed head placed on the torso.

A note was found at the scene purporting to be from Zarqawi's group, Al Qaeda Organisation of Holy War in Iraq, warning Iraqi soldiers, National Guards and police that a similar fate awaited them.

Earlier on Friday, residents tore up leaflets U.S. troops were handing out in Ramadi encouraging people to vote.
The beheading comes a day after an audio tape purportedly from the Jordanian militant urged followers to prepare for a lengthy holy war against U.S.-led forces in Iraq, saying victory could take months and years.


Also:


An Egyptian hostage was shot dead by militants from Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terrorist network on an Iraqi street corner in broad daylight.

Before the slaying, shown on a website today, the truck driver identified himself before the slaying as Ibrahim Mohammed Ismail and warned foreign drivers not to work in Iraq.

Seated in front of the trademark flag of al-Qaeda's group in Iraq, Ismail was questioned on camera by one of the militants.

"I tell every driver and the Shallah Kuwaiti company not to go to Iraq again," Ismail said. He said he was transporting supplies to Ramadi, 110 kilometres west of Baghdad, from Safwan, on the Kuwaiti border, as part of a 20-vehicle convoy. When his trailer truck broke down in Ramadi, the convoy left him behind, he told his interrogator.

"The Mujahideen came out and took me in," he said.

The Kuwaiti transport company delivered supplies and food to the American military.

The video then moved outside, showing Ismail, 39, blindfolded and his hands tied behind his back. A masked gunman shot him with three rounds in the back in broad daylight on a street corner as traffic passed by.

It showed Ismail's shipment papers, dated January 5. His passport and Kuwaiti residency papers were also shown.

The public slaying of Ismail is part of a new daring trend by militants. A video that surfaced late yesterday showed the beheading of two Shi'ites carried out on a street pavement in daylight. A crowd of people were seen in the background, gathering around the brutal slaughtering.

The bodies of the two victims, identified as Ahmed Alwan Hussein and Ali Hussein Jassim, were found in Ramadi on January 17.

The same group claimed responsibility for those slaying.

"Despite all the warnings issued by the Mujahideen, and despite the brutality that God has ordered us to use and the whole world saw on media, these renegades still help the aggressor occupier in killing and shedding the pure blood of those who reject humiliation," read a statement at the end of video showing the slaying of the Egyptian.

Al-Zarqawi's group has been responsible for some of the most spectacular attacks against military and civilian targets, as well as the brutal beheadings of drivers and foreign aid workers in Iraq. A tape purportedly by the leader himself posted today spoke of "the enemy's plans to implement so-called democracy in your country", and warned against participating in the January 30 elections or help setting them up.




14 posted on 01/25/2005 12:29:01 PM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: pitinkie

OMG! What is wrong with these people? The bystanders I mean. Don't they realize they could be next or a member of their families?
Why won't they turn this guy in to the Iraqi police? This will never be over unless they stand up for themselves!

pitinkie, Thank you for finding & posting this information for me.


15 posted on 01/25/2005 12:38:56 PM PST by GottaLuvAkitas1 (Ronald Reagan is the TRUE "Father Of Our Country".)
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To: GottaLuvAkitas1

Yep Iraqi's have to take control of their country. You are very welcome!


16 posted on 01/25/2005 4:05:03 PM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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