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To: discostu
Science isn't about efficiency

Mathematics is. And science without math is not what we think of as science. Perhaps one could term philosophy and theology as science. I would. But it's not generally how people see it. A math is not unknown to the latter, in any case.

No the faith can't. Human language isn't up to the task.

Again, you keep denying the obvious in the four principal Creeds of The Church. You can succinctly state belief, and dogmatic belief at that.

in evolution they're fitting modelss to data and keep getting more data that show the base concept is correct

Then whatever terms you prefer. Tell me - what is the "base concept", your wording not mine, of evolution?

369 posted on 01/21/2005 9:12:01 AM PST by sevry
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To: sevry

Math is about expresions, efficient when possible but math people understand that not everything can be expressed simply. They gun for as simply as they can, but some stuff is just not simple. Check out chaos theory, just looking at some of those equations will give you a migraine.

I'm not denying anything. The Creeds are very nice, they're a handy notecard version of The Church, but they don't even come close to expressing the whole. Human languages just can't express things that complex quickly. There's a reason you're expected to read the Bible and not just your 3x5 card with the Creeds, because the Creeds are just a start, the tip of the Faith iceburg.

I already told you what the base concept is: a species in whole or in part turning into 1 or more other species. The process by which we have fossil records of species no living person will ever see roaming the earth, and only very recent fossil records of the species we do see roaming the earth. Evolution is how the world of species changed from the place we see recorded in the fossil record to the one we inhabbit now. How A turned to B. We know there was A and we know there is B and we know something happened in between, the investigation of that something is the science of evolutionary theory.


370 posted on 01/21/2005 9:18:28 AM PST by discostu (mime is money)
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