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To: MineralMan
This is the most common error of those who dispute the Theory of Evolution. Once they get that part right, perhaps we can have a discussion.

There are, actually, almost no threads or posts on FR attacking Evolution.

They're actually attacking Abiogenesis theories, by people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

Yeah, once people actually understand the definitions of words like "Evolution" and "Hypothesis" and "Theory" there can be an intelligent discussion here. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.

11 posted on 01/20/2005 1:06:21 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

In that case, evolutionists should have no problem with the introduction of "intelligent design" or raw "creationism" into the schools, since those really broach something other than evolution, and hence are no threat to Darwinism.

24 posted on 01/20/2005 1:16:04 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: Strategerist
... the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

Correct. This is all that Darwin ever had to say on the subject of life's origin:

There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved.
Source, Origin of Species, 6th ed., last chapter, last sentence, which you can check here.
31 posted on 01/20/2005 1:20:09 PM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Strategerist
There are, actually, almost no threads or posts on FR attacking Evolution.

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37 posted on 01/20/2005 1:24:16 PM PST by Ichneumon (.)
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To: Strategerist
We are clear. There is no proof that nature builds complex organisms. In fact, it has been perfectly refuted mathematically by William Dembski.

Your next comment will go something like, "The entire scientific community, which is the only credible community to make a judgment, believes the Theory of Evolution is the only viable explanation for living organisms."

I will say, the scientific community has chosen to disregard the possibility that God created living organisms that have varied only within the intended genetic coding for each kind of creature.

This explains:

1. There have been no species to new more complex species transitionals.
2. The boundaries found between kinds of creatures limits the variation to adaptation within a kind (even to a splitting without viable reproduction but lacking in increased complexity -devolution-), because the complex systems have separations that are to great for transitions to have taken place.
3. There cannot be enough time for the millions of independent mechanisms we find in the simple cell, let alone the systems upon systems we find in higher life forms. (digestive system -- oxygen filtration system -- cleaning of various systems such as the circulatory system, respiratory system -- inner ear mechanisms -- vision systems including the connections to the brain -- nervous system -- heating system -- cooling system -- skeletal structure and the relative mechanisms which sustain the bones -- musculature system and the intertwining of the circulatory, digestive, respiratory... -- waste disposal system and on and on).

None of these issues will ever be explained by the Theory of Evolution, because it is simply absurd.

57 posted on 01/20/2005 1:37:35 PM PST by bondserv (Sincerity with God is the most powerful instigator for change! † [Check out my profile page])
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To: Strategerist
"They're actually attacking Abiogenesis theories, by people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing."

Evolution used to include the concept of Abiogenesis. Only once hard scientific problems with abiogenesis started turning up did evolutionists start distancing themselves from it. And it's been fairly recent. 10 years ago, hardly anybody talked about abiogenesis and evolution being two different things.

404 posted on 01/21/2005 11:37:11 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Strategerist
They're actually attacking Abiogenesis theories, by people who are under the mistaken impression that Evolution and Abiogenesis are the same thing.

They are the same thing. Evolutionists just like to pretend that they are not.

The first "living" thing, would have been the first "species". Therefore, Evolution MUST explain the first living thing, if it is to be TRUE.

It fails miserably at that, as with the later origin of multiple species.

474 posted on 01/21/2005 5:02:28 PM PST by GSHastings
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To: Strategerist
ICR and AIG have promoted the conflation of abiogenesis and evolution, making millions of dollars from their amazing propaganda effort.

I have to admire them for their entrepreneurship.
763 posted on 02/19/2005 11:07:58 AM PST by shubi (Peace through superior firepower.)
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