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To: Dane

Good article - thanks for posting.

I would add, IMHO, that Fox's contention that it plays it down the middle on its news coverage and reserves opinion to the opinion shows, is something of a fable. Listen to the asides of virtually any of the hosts and reporters, and there is a significant conservative slant. That's fine with me, but to suggest FNC plays it straight down the middle is simply not so, IMHO. It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left.


5 posted on 01/16/2005 5:36:47 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
That's fine with me, but to suggest FNC plays it straight down the middle is simply not so, IMHO. It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left.

Actually, Fox News is a little too liberal for my tastes.

10 posted on 01/16/2005 5:44:10 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown" -- harpseal)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I would add, IMHO, that Fox's contention that it plays it down the middle on its news coverage and reserves opinion to the opinion shows, is something of a fable. Listen to the asides of virtually any of the hosts and reporters, and there is a significant conservative slant. That's fine with me, but to suggest FNC plays it straight down the middle is simply not so, IMHO. It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left.

I have to disagree, somewhat. Fox presents plenty of liberal commentators(such as Juan Williams, Elenor Clift, Ellis Henican, Susan Estrich etc.etc). The reason they may seem to slant to the right is because Fox gives the true loony left base a voice, and doesn't sugarcoat it like the old MSM and the NYT.

When the average American sees the true loony face of the democrat left, they are repulsed.

That's not to say there are not loons on the right, there are, but IMO, the loons on the left outnumber the loons on the right by a ratio of 10 to 1.

15 posted on 01/16/2005 5:48:59 AM PST by Dane (trial lawyers are the parasites to wealth creating society)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left.

CRAP.

Even if it were true, they would still provide overall balance in the universe of media coverage.

Besides, other than telling the truth and playing by the rules, exactly what is "right wing bias?"

33 posted on 01/16/2005 6:25:39 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I agree. It is impossible, merely by story selection, NOT to "slant" news. For example, I once had a Dayton area reporter tell me that he was NOT to do any story, ever, on deaths that resulted from botched abortions or problems in abortion clinics. Nor do "pro-life" marches EVER get covered, no matter how large. But let ten feminazis protest something and the cameras will be there.

I think Fox has an obligation to look at what others are reporting and deliberately go out of its way to ask, "Should we be covering other stories? Other angles? Is this really news?" The answers are often surprising.

For ex., say for a moment that the Bush/TANG story was in fact true. What real difference would it have made? In "normal" circumstances, an objective and honest news network wouldn't have given that more than a throwaway line in some weekday newscast, and that would have been it. My point is, since bias is in part shaped by story SELECTION---not just "framing" stories or "slanting" them after they are selected---then Fox has to be vigilant to select "fair and balanced stories."

This shows up most recently in Iraq, where we ONLY hear (even from Fox, often) about the latest bomb, but not the 99% of the cities that are calm, where power is on, where people are going to school and work, and where the tiny seeds of liberty and democracy are taking root.

35 posted on 01/16/2005 6:32:24 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news (there is no c in Amtrak and no truth in MSM news))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Thanks for watching (gathering intelligence?) on the Today Show...I really could care less about the MSM's, I'm only impatient for their funeral to end and to bury the heinous corpse! IMO I felt they were approaching the end of their lives many years ago and have only rarely watched them and then only due to the fascination with their painfully slow demise. The success and growth of FOX News proves to me that many others are also able to read between the lines and see the desperation of the Lefty's ideology, and the willingness of the MSM to shill for all the failed & anti-American ideas of the Left and a tool for the Democrats.
IMHO FOX is a paradigm shift in TV news & commentary and along the scale of balance, they are not a 10 but probably a 8, the rest of this media rates less than 3/10 in trying to show more than 1 side of the issues.
Another encouraging part of FOX's success will be that new or existing competition inevidently will seek to incorporate the successful model that FOX represents and that bodes well, IMHO.
51 posted on 01/16/2005 7:35:16 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
You know, while I understand that there is a conservative slant to Fox, I wonder if we perceive it so just because this is the first time we've ever gotten an even break.

Tom Wolfe, the author, is often called conservative just because he doesn't rave like a liberal. Frankly, when I just listen to him speak, I think he just may be that rare artist who is willing to listen to conservative arguments.

Greta is certainly not a conservative. She got her big bucks suing tobacco--via her husband. No grubbing trial lawyer is a conservative. And how about Geraldo?

And it seems to me that liberals are treated MUCH more kindly on "conservative" opinion shows than conservatives were EVER treated on liberal shows. Think how Michelle Malkin was treated by that goon, that thug, that pugugly bogtrotting Chris Matthews.

But if there's a genuine conservative slant to Fox, which sometimes I doubt, then I think we've got a few slants coming to us after all these many years of All the News That's Fit to Forge. But I am thankful for Fox that there is a News Hour with Brit Hume. I have a crush on both him, and Neil Cavuto. Genuine Nice Guys.

58 posted on 01/16/2005 12:11:09 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

". It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left"


Naaahhh, they may be biased a little to the right but nothing near the leftward bias of the so-called main stream media.


64 posted on 01/16/2005 5:47:24 PM PST by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Oh come on.

I am very watchful for bias of any type, but in the actual news reporting, it is straight without bias.

Most people simply can't discern the difference between reporting in the day and commentary during the day or in the evening.


67 posted on 01/16/2005 6:03:09 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Now, a couple years ago, I would say I thought at times the news reporting itself was slanted to the right. I don't see that anymore.

But boy, I do remember one report in 2000 about Bush's inauguration. My jaw dropped with how outrageously pro-Bush it was. It made disparaging comments toward Clinton and everything.

Today though, at least in my opinion, I don't see a bias in their straight reporting.


70 posted on 01/16/2005 6:08:54 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
That's fine with me, but to suggest FNC plays it straight down the middle is simply not so, IMHO. It is as slanted to the right as the MSM is to the left.

Are you kidding?

I've said many times that I'm looking forward to the day we have a conservative news channel. Fox doesn't begin to fill the bill for that.

Maybe now that Rush has an in at CNN, he can take over. He wouldn't even have to change the call letters, CNN. Conservative News Network. THAT would smoke the libs.

78 posted on 01/16/2005 7:05:57 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism has metastasized into a dangerous neurosis which threatens the nation's security)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Listen to the asides of virtually any of the hosts and reporters, and there is a significant conservative slant.

Got any examples?

As for myself, I've tried to document pro-conservative comments on Fox, but can't find many.

On the other hand, I think we as viewers had become so accustomed to GOP bashing on network news over the years that a channel (Fox) which plays it straight just SEEMS like they are slanting right.

85 posted on 01/16/2005 8:00:17 PM PST by Edit35
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