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To: Rutles4Ever; melbell

Re #145:

'Every Catholic priest is ordained in Christ to say, "In Christ Jesus I became your father through the Gospel" (1st Cor. 4:15). ' [which says:]

1Cr 4:15 — For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

This is curious, as James 1:18 says JESUS begat us through His Word:

Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.


'I love it when so-called "Bible" Christians display their depth of scriptural ignorance. The funny thing is that they seem to think the Bible was written by some guy in Milwaukee in the English language and that they can pick and choose which portions are to be heeded. These are the same people who proclaim that, since the Bible says Jesus had people close to him referred to as "brothers", that means Mary and Joseph had children after Jesus. They ignore the fact that early Scripture was written in the Hebrew, then Greek, then Latin. By the fourth translation, into English, there are cultural specificities lost along the way. And yet, the Bible is replete with references to people other than God as "father"...

Judges 17:10, the Ephraimite Micah asks a transient Levite, "Stay with me; be father and priest to me."

Later (Judges 18:19), a Danite war party persuades the same Levite to leave Micah, saying: "Come with us and be our father and priest." THE BIBLE FINDS PRIESTHOOD AND FATHERHOOD INSEPARABLY UNITED ...'

Now, are you SURE you want to use THOSE PEOPLE as an example?

Mich STOLE FROM HIS MOTHER. When he 'fessed up and returned the money, SHE USED THE MONEY TO MAKE IDOLS:

Jdg. 17:4 ....his mother took two hundred [shekels] of silver, and gave them to the founder, who made thereof a graven image and a molten image: and they were in the house of Micah.

Jdg 17:5 And the man Micah had an house of gods, and made an ephod, and teraphim, and consecrated one of his sons, who became his priest.

Jdg 17:6 In those days [there was] no king in Israel, [but] every man did [that which was] right in his own eyes.

Along comes the LEVITE, of the tribe God chose to be His priests, and he was happy to live among the idols:

Jdg 17:12 And Micah consecrated the Levite; and the young man became his priest, and was in the house of Micah.

Jdg 17:13 Then said Micah, Now know I that the LORD will do me good, seeing I have a LEVITE to [my] priest. [Think so? http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jdg/17/13.html ]

Now along comes the tribe of Dan, and they inquire of the PRIEST [false prophet living among idols]:

Jdg 18:5 And they said unto him, Ask counsel, we pray thee, of God, that we may know whether our way which we go shall be prosperous.

Jdg 18:6 And the priest said unto them, Go in peace: before the LORD [is] your way wherein ye go.

So they go into the city renamed Laish after God judged it by sending in lions, but first:

Jdg 18:17 And the five men that went to spy out the land went up, [and] came in thither, [and] took the graven image, and the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image: and the priest stood in the entering of the gate with the six hundred men [that were] appointed with weapons of war.

Jdg 18:18 And these went into Micah's house, and fetched the carved image, the ephod, and the teraphim, and the molten image. Then said the priest unto them, What do ye?

Jdg 18:19 And they said unto him, Hold thy peace, lay thine hand upon thy mouth, and go with us, and be to us a father and a priest: [is it] better for thee to be a priest unto the house of one man, or that thou be a priest unto a tribe and a family in Israel? [major, major, major turning point in the history of mankind, and not for the better!]

Jdg 18:20 And the priest's heart was glad, and he took the ephod, and the teraphim, and the graven image, and went in the midst of the people.

Jdg 18:21 So they turned and departed, and put the little ones and the cattle and the carriage before them. [how brave]....

Jdg 18:27 And they took [the things] which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people [that were] at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire.

Jdg 18:28 And [there was] no deliverer, because it [was] far from Zidon, and they had no business with [any] man; and it was in the valley that [lieth] by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein.

Jdg 18:29 And they called the name of the city Dan after the name of Dan their father, [another milestone in history http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Psa/49/11.html ], who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city [was] Laish at the first.

Jdg 18:30 And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, [now here it appears someone has changed the name of Manasseh from MOSES, THE Moses, a LEVITE. Hmmm, wonder why they would do that?] he and his sons were PRIESTS to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

Jdg 18:31 And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jdg/Jdg018.html

And we all know what happened to Shiloh:

Jer 7:12 — But go ye now unto my place which [was] in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jer/7/12.html

Now, I am running out of time, but you might want to look up the word 'abhor' in the concordance. I will give you a few entries:

Lev 26:11 And I will set my tabernacle among you: and my soul shall not abhor you.

Lev 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant:

Lev 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Deu 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: [but] thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it [is] a cursed thing.

Then see this:

Zec 11:8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec011.html#8

Maybe, just maybe, God was talking about these folks, and maybe, just maybe, He didn't want His Holy name [Isa. 9:6] maligned by false shepherds.

Judges 18 is a very important chapter. It foreshadowed the downfall of the nation:


Mic 1:5 For the transgression of Jacob [is] all this, and for the sins of the house of Israel. What [is] the transgression of Jacob? [is it] not Samaria? and what [are] the high places of Judah? [are they] not Jerusalem? **** http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mic/1/5.html

Mic 1:6 Therefore I will make Samaria as an heap of the field, [and] as plantings of a vineyard: and I will pour down the stones thereof into the valley, and I will discover the foundations thereof.

Mic 1:7 And all the graven images thereof shall be beaten to pieces, and all the hires thereof shall be burned with the fire, and all the idols thereof will I lay desolate: for she gathered [it] of the hire of an harlot, and they shall return to the hire of an harlot.

Mic 1:8 Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls.

Mic 1:9 For her wound [is] incurable; for it is come unto Judah; he is come unto the gate of my people, [even] to Jerusalem.

Read it all: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mic/Mic001.html#5







260 posted on 01/16/2005 2:06:27 PM PST by Ethan_Allen (Gen. 32:24-32 'man'=Jesus http://www.preteristarchive.com/Jesus_is_Israel/index.html)
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To: Ethan_Allen; Rutles4Ever

Excellent! I have just read the passages, Judges 17 and 18, and it is as you say.

The two examples he used for "father and priest"...

The first time, the house of Micah comes to the levite, shows him the "gods" (Judges 18:24, Micah refers to the three idols as "gods") he made with the shekels of silver, and offers him a salary, room and board, and new clothes, to be his father and priest...so the Levite goes to live with him.

Then later, the Danites bust in the house, grab the three "gods", and stand out front. The Levite "Priest and Father" (!) asks them what they are doing, and they tell him to shut up and come on, 'cause they are taking the "gods", and wouldn't he rather be a "Priest and Father" for a whole city than just for this one house? The Levite is like, "sweet...I will be more popular" (that's the jive I got from the passage, anyway, says the offer made him "glad") and he runs off with the Danites and stolen "gods".

Interesting, indeed. There is a lesson to be learned here...before you quote scripture about how something is right (eg: asking someone to be your father), make sure it's something you would actually want to be associated with. I'm HOPING you wouldn't want to be associated with a story of a Levite who worships idols.


262 posted on 01/16/2005 4:08:20 PM PST by melbell (There are 10 types of people in the world...those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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