"how can you be guilty against the body and blood of Christ when, according to you, they are merely trifle symbols."
Please quote my post where I called them "trifle". You cannot, because I did not...
Or would you rather convert me to Catholicism by lieing and trying to make me look like I find Jesus's symbols unimportant?
Jesus VERY CLEARLY identifies the bread and wine at the first Communion as his body and blood. You accuse me of picking and choosing, but you REFUSE to acknowledge that he broke BREAD and passed it around, saying, "This bread is my body, this cup is my blood, this do in remembrance of me" Yes, I will agree that the verses you love to quote say that he gives his flesh and blood for us to partake in that we might have life forever. But you must also see that in Luke 22, he then identifies what we are to use as symbols of that flesh.
Jesus was human when he said these things. Then he had flesh to give. Now he isn't human anymore. Since he is no longer of the flesh, he has shown us how we may symbolically take communion in remembrance of Him.
You should think twice before you accuse someone of considering these symbols "trifle symbols". NOTHING about the communion is unimportant to me. Just because I choose to see BOTH accounts of the communion instead of just the one that you like to take so literally, does not make me wrong. You accuse me of only choosing what verses I want, yet you STILL have not explained to me what Jesus meant when he broke bread and gave it to his chosen apostles and told them it represented his body.
Since you were so helpful in quoting the verses you accuse me of ignoring, I will do the same for you:
Luke 22: 13-20 -
13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
Well, right now I have no desire to argue (listening to a great ballet) and nothings going to happen. Also, your Catholic bashing might get you ZOTed. So watch out! /s
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'Jesus was human when he said these things. Then he had flesh to give. Now he isn't human anymore. Since he is no longer of the flesh, he has shown us how we may symbolically take communion in remembrance of Him.'
Good reply. It makes even more sense to me now, after having read this:
'...Transubstantiation is the doctrine, which claims that Jesus is offered every time the mass is held:
Marvellous dignity of the priests, in their hands as in the womb of the blessed virgin Mary the Son of God becomes incarnate. ***Behold, the power of the priest! ***The tongue of the priest makes God from a morsel of bread, it is more than creating the world.[vi] [[vi] Eucharist Meditations, pp.111 ]
Canon 1: If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or a figure or force, let him be anathema.[vii] Council of Trent, session 13, Chapter VIII, ratified by Vatican II.
*** The Bible, however clearly states:
***** Because by one sacrifice he has made perfect for ever those who are being made holy. Hebrews 10:14 NIV...'
Clears it up once and for all for me!!! There must be other things going on in the world, but I'm learning too many things on this thread to move on.