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To: DannyTN
"The following article quotes Justin Martyr [and this proves that the] "Premillenial view predated Amillenial view"

Oh really???????

Read the bottom line: "Justin Martyr (c. 100-c. 165) and Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130-c. 200) Justin ...allowed for other interpretations [other than premill]: "I and many others are of this ["end times"] opinion, and believe that such will take place … but, on the other hand, many [of his contemporaries] who belong to the pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise."

What do the "Scriptures" say?

179 posted on 01/14/2005 10:07:30 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Today's DemocRATS are either religious moral relativists, libertines or anarchists.)
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To: Matchett-PI
There were other interpretations at the time, whether those matched Augustines is unclear. But clearly both Justin Martyr and Irenaeus believed 1800 years ago in a premilinial view which you said was a view that was only 170 years.

We are miscommunicating. When you said "it", I thought you meant the Bible. Instead you were referring to a book long link which I still haven't fully read. I haven't figured out how your link's "reformed amillenialism" differs from "plain vanilla amillenialism".

If you believe that the second coming is yet to occur, then obviously you believe that parts of Revelations are in the future, and I'm unclear what we are arguing about here.

Your link interprets the ressurrection to be synomynous with salvation. I don't think so. The following passage seems to discuss a moment in time, in which the dead in Christ rise first, followed by alive believers being caught up in the air. The term "dead in Christ" doesn't seem to make sense in your construct.

1 Thes 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

185 posted on 01/14/2005 10:30:20 AM PST by DannyTN
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