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210,000 Dead in Indonesia.
Fox news

Posted on 01/12/2005 6:31:56 PM PST by ConservativeMan55

Edited on 01/12/2005 8:26:44 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Per Foxnews Alert.

210,000 people have died in the Tsunami.

The worst disaster in the last 300 years.


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To: oceanview

Why, do you think these places were unpopulated? Several cities worth of people are simply GONE.

But you're "definitely" sure it's a scam, huh? What facts brought you to this conclusion?


102 posted on 01/12/2005 8:20:59 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: TXnMA
That so-called "John Valentine" would not fool
anyone that he is not a proselyting muslim...

What a bunch of lies!!!
Merdakan Islamist separatists burning a Christian church.

Indonesian soldiers burning a christian fisherman's boat:

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10294.htm

Subj: Aceh: Shari'a - the Islamisation of Acehnese Culture

The oil- and gas-rich region of Aceh is located on the northern tip of Sumatra, Indonesia. Aceh has a population of 4.3 million and has historically been staunchly Islamic. On 1 January 2002, as part of a wide-ranging autonomy package that the Indonesian government hoped would appease separatists, Aceh was granted the right to adopt Islamic law.

On 3 January 2002 the Jakarta Post reported, "The Aceh or Nanggroe Aceh Darusallam administration has officially put the special autonomy law and syariah (Islamic law) into effect." The article went on to quote Teungku Sofyan Hamzah, an imam at the grand Baiturrahman Mosque. "Asked about feelings of anxiety by some non-Muslims in Aceh following the implementation of the Islamic law, he (Hamzah) said that the minority should not worry. 'The administration will use national law for them.'"

Well - an article appeared in the Jakarta Post on 28 September 2002, detailing how under shari'a law, caning or imprisonment would be the punishment for those who "propagated beliefs other than Islam to Muslims in the province."

I sent the article to Dr. Mark Durie, and asked him for a comment. The author of many articles and books on Acehnese language and culture, Dr. Mark Durie is a pastor at St. Hilarys Anglican Church Kew, Melbourne, Australia, and was formerly head of the Department of Linguistics and Language Studies at the University of Melbourne. His insights come from years of extensive research and experience of Acehnese culture.

- Elizabeth Kendal

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JAKARTA POST 28 September 2002 "Aceh to implement caning punishment"

In line with sharia law, the Aceh legislative council is proposing that caning be one of the punishments for people who tempt Muslims to desert religious teachings.

A special team set up by the council is drafting the bylaw in response to Law No. 44/1999 on Aceh's special status and Law No. 18/2002 on special autonomy for Aceh.

Chairman of the special team Azhari Basar said that caning would be imposed on those who propagated beliefs other than Islam to Muslims in the province. "Those who violate the ruling will face a maximum jail term of two years and a maximum fine of Rp 6 million or 10 strokes of the cane," he told Antara.

Azhari said that according to Article 17 of the draft, anyone who skips Friday prayers three times in a row without an acceptable reason would be fined a maximum of Rp 2 million, six months in jail or three strokes of the cane.

"Caning also applies to those who open their food stalls during Ramadhan (fasting month)," he said. Food stall owners who sell food, beverages or cigarettes publicly or secretly during the holy month will be fined a maximum of Rp 4 million, spend one year in jail or receive five strokes of the cane.

However, it is not clear who is in charge of carrying out the caning punishment: the police or the sharia police.

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COMMENT BY DR. MARK DURIE

CHRISTIANS IN ACEH

The number of Acehnese Christians is small, however, a full Bible translation is available. I do not know at all what the current situation of the Christian Chinese community is in Aceh. Christians in Aceh consist mainly of soldiers, Chinese, and Bataks in the central and southwestern regions. There is no notable "Christian" area in Aceh, unlike neighbouring North Sumatra.

Since the 1950s Aceh has been considered a "special region", with certain concessions to its Islamic character. Government offices of religious affairs certainly support and promote Islam.

Church burnings have been an intermittent occurrence for the past 30 years. (Aceh was a forerunner in the significant increase of attacks on churches that has taken place throughout Indonesia.) The most significant protestant church in Banda Aceh, the capital, was burned down in the early 90's. Subsequently, permission to rebuild was refused.

Local church communities can have great difficulty getting permission to have a place for worship, e.g. having to build over water, or use the back of a shop.

Christians employed as teachers in schools (posted by the state education system) can come under enormous pressures to convert to Islam. Prayer for these isolated Christians is urgently needed.

The potential for conflict is perhaps greatest in South Aceh, where Batak ethnic communities include both Christians and Muslims. Without a clear ethnic-religious alignment, conversion to Christianity does not bring loss of ethnic identity and this can make conversion easier. Consequently, greater pressure could be brought to bear on the Christian community. (This is just my hypothesising about why South Aceh has been a region of conflict.)

Persecution of Christians is sometimes hard to distinguish from persecution of Chinese. During the massacres of "communists" in the 1960's, many Chinese Christians were killed. In Aceh a religious test was sometimes applied: if the person could not recite the Arabic confession of faith in Islam they were put to death. I had this from a Muslim person who narrowly survived the massacres.

SHARI'A - THE ISLAMISATION OF ACEHNESE CULTURE

The implementation of shari'a punishments is a profound change in Aceh, which has not been governed by the shari'a for over 100 years.

Most Acehnese people do pray regularly, and attend the Friday prayers. However in cities, not everyone would have complied. The use of force to require attendance, on pain of caning, is a disturbing trend.

In Aceh traditional ways - referred to as "adat" - have in the past been a very important authority for regulating daily life. The role of adat is recognized in Indonesian law, and was central to the role of Acehnese rulers in pre-colonial Aceh. This adat or "custom", being linked to the secular authority of the sultan, was always a balance to the shari'a. The recent introduction of shari'a law in Aceh is part of a centuries-long process of Islamising Acehnese culture, ultimately replacing adat with shari'a.

One can anticipate that there will be various areas of tension or conflict between adat and shari'a. For most Acehnese people, the whole Acehnese way of life is regarded as "Islamic", so this tension will be confusing. It will slow the rate of shari'a implementation. Paradoxically, Christians could be more vulnerable in this context, because non-Acehnese adat has little authority in Aceh.

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103 posted on 01/12/2005 8:23:48 PM PST by frontdeboeuf
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To: ConservativeMan55

Doesn't surprise me. I figured a couple days' after that the final toll would be well over half a million.


104 posted on 01/12/2005 8:24:11 PM PST by thoughtomator (Rooting for a Jets-Vikings Superbowl!)
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To: AVNevis
Everyone: IGNORE THIS THREAD. There is no such death toll. If it were on FOX it would be on their website, and there is nothing from AP or Reuters.

Get over yourself.

click on this picture to watch the news alert from Fox's News stating Indonesia demands  armed soldiers on  aid ships and aircraft and our Marines have to be unarmed!

105 posted on 01/12/2005 8:25:18 PM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: nightdriver
Well, of COURSE they are talking about "natural disasters". Sheesh.
106 posted on 01/12/2005 8:25:48 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Gee...Allah must really be mad at the infidels to off so many muslims.....


107 posted on 01/12/2005 8:29:37 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: AVNevis

This article says 210,000

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/10629244.htm?1c


108 posted on 01/12/2005 8:30:02 PM PST by Mo1 (Does the distinguished Sen from VT wish to act as our treaty rep. for negotiations with Al Queda?)
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To: frontdeboeuf

Apparently, you just don't get it.

Providing aid to people hurt in major disasters is not about who they are or what they think of us. I really don't care if they hate us for it. We will do what we can for whomever we can.

It's not about us, and its not about them. Its about doing what right. Get the hell over it, or at the very least: get the hell outta the way.


109 posted on 01/12/2005 8:31:40 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: Mo1; mhking
Sorry. I was mistaken.

However, I still look at FOX's website and see nothing. Checked the wires too. Any reason?
110 posted on 01/12/2005 8:33:06 PM PST by AVNevis (You are never too young to stand up for America)
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To: Ramius

Ack. "it's about doing what's right".

Dangit.


111 posted on 01/12/2005 8:33:25 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: Ramius

There was an earthquake in China approx. 1976 with 800,000 reported casualties.


112 posted on 01/12/2005 8:33:35 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Ciexyz

And?


113 posted on 01/12/2005 8:34:08 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: AVNevis

Don't have a clue why it's not on FNC

But I did see them report on it during Gretta's show


114 posted on 01/12/2005 8:34:16 PM PST by Mo1 (Does the distinguished Sen from VT wish to act as our treaty rep. for negotiations with Al Queda?)
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To: Ramius

They're our children?


115 posted on 01/12/2005 8:34:28 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: AVNevis
Checked the wires too. Any reason?

Unknown. I'm sure something will emerge fairly soon.

I did see a story earlier tonight that claimed Indonesia was reporting more than 150,000 in their country alone. I can't recall exactly where I ran across it at this point though.

116 posted on 01/12/2005 8:35:43 PM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: Ciexyz

So... we should wait until casualties approach that number before we bother to do anything to assist?

Where are you going with this?


117 posted on 01/12/2005 8:36:44 PM PST by Ramius (Gregoirovich Nyet!)
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To: Lizavetta

I am taking a geography course right now, and it is pretty interesting that actually, world population will soon begin DROPPING based on the drop in the number of babies in the West and China....plus AIDS in Africa.

So much for overpopulating the Earth.


118 posted on 01/12/2005 8:37:05 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness
Or ? How CONVENNNNNNNNNNNNN--IENT

For the dead?

119 posted on 01/12/2005 8:37:15 PM PST by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Frankly, we are just NOW hearing some accurate numbers.

150,000 was WAY too low.

The assertion that numbers are inflated is ridiculous.


120 posted on 01/12/2005 8:38:11 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("War is an ugly thing, but...the decayed feeling...which thinks nothing worth war, is worse." -Mill)
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