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To: raybbr
"Good grief. I have read this so many times it's silly. If they are not registering now - if they remain illegal now - what is the incentive for them to come out?"

It's not silly, and both Tancredo and President Bush are offering roughly the same incentive: in exchange for registering themselves and their illegal employers, illegal aliens get a legal work permit (the so-called "blue card") for 1 to 3 years, the right to travel across our borders legally and frequently to see their families, full banking and wire transfer rights, and immunity from future raids during their legal tenure...the latter being important because...

...both Tancredo's and Bush's immigration plans register *employers* of illegals. This means that if a single illegal worker applies for her blue card, that our government suddenly knows to go audit that entire sweatshop (e.g. for immigration violations, minimum wage violations, workman's comp violations, etc.). So anyone left at taht sweathsop who *hasn't* applied for this blue card is about to get arrested and deported because of that one illegal applying for this blue card.

To avoid that, all of them will go register rather than risk deportation...moreover, the *employers* of these illegals get ratted out under both Bush's and Tancredo's immigration plans...so unless each employer gets *all* of their illegal workers to go register, said employer will get BUSTED in the forthcoming audit.

So both new plans from President Bush and Congressman Tancredo offer a carrot and a stick to both the illegals and their employers.

So there is no question that they will register in very, very large numbers.

Once registered, this problem becomes manageable. The anonymity that protected millions suddenly disappears.

496 posted on 01/12/2005 8:05:34 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Once registered, this problem becomes manageable.

I don't think you understand.

If the illegals here now were all to agree to register, and if THAT ALONE put an end to the massive influx of uneducated masses, then many people might bite the bullet and support the plan.

However, by offering "amnesty" (call it what you want), it would literally be inviting every single person in latin America, not to mention Asia, etc. to take a stab at jumping the border into the US on the hopes that THEY TOO would be granted ECONOMIC amnesty, which after all is that Bush's plan amounts to.

Another thing: Bush's plan throws a monkey wrench into US immigration policy which for the past 60 years has focused almost solely on allowing immigrantion for political repression reasons, NOT ECONOMIC.

After all, the whole freaking world would come bursting across our borders in hopes of making a better life. WHEN WILL IT END?? When english is a second language??

514 posted on 01/12/2005 8:15:30 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Southack
It's not silly, and both Tancredo and President Bush are offering roughly the same incentive: in exchange for registering themselves and their illegal employers, illegal aliens get a legal work permit (the so-called "blue card") for 1 to 3 years, the right to travel across our borders legally and frequently to see their families, full banking and wire transfer rights, and immunity from future raids during their legal tenure...the latter being important because...

They can do all this now. There is no enforcement of our existing laws.

...both Tancredo's and Bush's immigration plans register *employers* of illegals. This means that if a single illegal worker applies for her blue card, that our government suddenly knows to go audit that entire sweatshop (e.g. for immigration violations, minimum wage violations, workman's comp violations, etc.). So anyone left at taht sweathsop who *hasn't* applied for this blue card is about to get arrested and deported because of that one illegal applying for this blue card.

They are not investigating companies now. Why would I, or anyone, think they will after the plan is in place?

To avoid that, all of them will go register rather than risk deportation...moreover, the *employers* of these illegals get ratted out under both Bush's and Tancredo's immigration plans...so unless each employer gets *all* of their illegal workers to go register, said employer will get BUSTED in the forthcoming audit.

They don't check now. What has been said to make you believe it will be any different after the plan is in place?

So both new plans from President Bush and Congressman Tancredo offer a carrot and a stick to both the illegals and their employers. So there is no question that they will register in very, very large numbers.

I don't buy it. There is no enforcement now. Why would I think that Bush would all of a sudden decide to enforce the law?

Bush's plan is a slap in the face to all immigrants that came here leagally. It is a spit in the eye to all who are waiting to come here legally.

Sorry, I don't like his plan. Illegals are not U.S. citizens and should be treated as invaders.

Once registered, this problem becomes manageable. The anonymity that protected millions suddenly disappears.

There's a lot pre-supposition in that. I don't buy it.

808 posted on 01/13/2005 4:57:24 AM PST by raybbr
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