Republican to Lead Immigration Revolt Against Bush

Your question should have been:
"What is the connection MS-13 gangs have with Islamic terrorist groups?"

If you can't trouble yourself to read those news stories; ( one by Tucson Channel 4 Eyewitness News, and the other by the Orange County District Attorney)

...Then I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you.

Las Vegas is a giant barrio? Gimme a break.

"Another thing: Bush's plan throws a monkey wrench into US immigration policy which for the past 60 years has focused almost solely on allowing immigrantion for political repression reasons, NOT ECONOMIC."

That's a moot point; both Tancredo's and Bush's immigration plans put no limits on how many illegals can apply to work here.

But in exchange for that sacrifice, both immigration plans give us a way to make the immigration issue more manageable: registration.

Until we get our 8+ million illegals (and 1+ million of their employers) registered, we'll continue to have too many anonymous fugitives for law enforcement to effectively track down.

Tancredo and Bush are offering plans that end that anonymity; suddenly the anonymous fugitives are on our books, as are their employers. Now enforcement becomes feasible.

National ID cards won't be far behind.

That's the whole problem - we've left the door open so long that the only way to have a chance of identifying illegals is to have a national ID card for the citizens so ID checks can ferret out those who aren't supposed to be here.

Except that they won't. They will require us working stiffs to get the cards but will never quite get around to actually checking for illegals. And the heat under the frog is turned up another notch.

And that plan differs from Tancredo's immigration plan in only the smallest of political details.

I don't know what "political" details means, but I do know that it varies hugely in substantive details, and so do you. Tancredo favors applying for guest worker status only from the home country, with no path to citizenship, and rather strict controls, that the guest workers go home sooner rather than later.. Bush allows existing illegals to be automatically eligible for quest worker status, with a clear path to citizenship, without ever having to depart.

I oppose both plans. I support something in-between the huge chasm in the two approaches. Shocking.

A lot of immigration opponents appeal to bigotry and prejudice.

I think you are a racist. You onkly want illegal HISPANIC immigrants to get amnesty. Everyone else, whether from Africa or Russia or Eastern Europe or China has to wait in line and follow the law. By definition, you are therefore a racist.

I wish Bush was a Freeper....I really do

Somehow he is disconnected from the electorate

Somehow he is disconnected from the electorate

Yeah. 62 million disconnected supporters November 2.

Was Muhammad Atta a member of MS-13?

No, his social standards were too high.

"Even if we pass a plan, we will be no closer to solving the problem of a continuins massive influx of uneducated immigrants across our southern border."

Not true. Once passed, either plan will allow us to register millions of currently anonymous illegal alien fugitives. Once registered, those millions will be crossing our border at *legal* checkpoints, not treking through the desert.

This will greatly reduce the numbers who are coming through our non-checkpoint border crossings. The smaller those numbers become, the more manageable and feasible it becomes for our border patrol to discover and apprehend those who do continue to cross over illegally.

Moreover, both Tancredo and Bush's immigration plans register the employers of illegals for compliance audits...greatly reducing the number of employers who are willing to continue to hire illegals...

...Especially since if even 1 illegal at a sweatshop ever applies for a future blue card, then that entire sweatshop is going to get audited.

So contrary to the *myth* of an uncontrollable immigration problem, both Tancredo and Bush are offering very clever, very viable solutions...real world solutions...to this problem.

This is *NOT* President Reagan's 1986 amnesty; it's far better than that. Far.

Next thing you know, there will be calls for a National ID card and federal ID database for all.

I favor both. This nation needs to know who is here and why, and when they want to secure federal benefits of whatever nature, or to secure a job legally.

I'd rather suffer the ills of illegal aliens than be forced to carry papers to prove I'm a citizen.

No papers necessary. You just need you National ID swipe card to get certain federal privileges. You don't need to carry it. That is straw man stuff. It will assist in preventing fraud.

I'd rather suffer the ills of illegal aliens than be forced to carry papers to prove I'm a citizen. Papers please?

I'll offer a hypothetical. My wife is a native-borne American of Mexican ancestry. How do you tell her apart from an illegal? Would she be subject to interrogation on the street because she looks like she could be an illegal? If she hasn't applied for and obtained her officially sanctioned national ID card, could she face deportation because she looks like she could be an illegal? The irony is, she has lived in the barrio, has seen the waves of illegals firsthand and thinks we're nuts for allowing such.

But how do you tell her apart from an illegal walking down the street?

This whole subject is fiendishly difficult once you drill down into the details.

Several days ago I asked you if your organization was not-for-profit, or if it was a personal business venture. You are constantly spamming FR with promotions for your website, you should at least have the courtesy to disclose that basic information.

I'm guessing ALIPAC is more in the Larry Klayman model. Non profit, but with the hope of it being a very well paying living. If one were to visit the 'top stories' section on ALIPAC's website, you'll find a very unhealthy, almost sick obsession with stories about gang rape.

20 most read stories

· 1: North Carolina Woman Gang Raped By Seven Illegal Aliens - (9959 reads)
· 2: Latino Vs. Black Gang Fight Turns LA High School Into War Zone - (9220 reads)
· 3: Another gang rape by Latino gangs reported. - (7205 reads)
· 4: NC License Issue Explodes: Illegal Alien Gang Rape Suspects had Valid NC Licens - (6906 reads)
· 5: Representative Russell Pearce's Son Shot by Illegal Alien - (5817 reads)
· 6: Illegal Aliens Receiving Licenses and Voter Registration in NC - (5372 reads)
· 7: Another Illegal Alien Gang Rapist Sentenced in NY - (3702 reads)
· 8: Press Release - Americans for Legal Immigration PAC forms to support candidates - (2086 reads)
· 9: ALIPAC Exclusive: More illegal aliens charged with kidnapping & gang rape - (860 reads)
· 10: Latino Group Claims Gang Rape By Illegal Aliens was ''consensual'' - (850 reads)
· 11: Illegal Alien Gang Member Pleads Guilty to Gang Rape (5th Recent Report) - (762 reads)
· 12: Latino Group Questions The Investigation of Illegal Alien Gang Rape - (730 reads)
· 13: MS-13: Hispanic gang plots to ambush Maryland cops - (663 reads)
· 14: Illegal Immigration, Border Security, and Child Sex Slaves - (634 reads)
· 15: N.C. a destination for fake ID seekers - (547 reads)
· 16: Associated Press Sanitizes LA High School Riot Story - (528 reads)
· 17: Threat to nuke plant revealed - (446 reads)
· 18: ''We are taking our land back!'' says Proponent of Illegal Immigrants - (378 reads)
· 19: Illegal Immigrant Workers Do More Harm Than Good - (363 reads)
· 20: Flashback: Yet Another Case of Illegal Alien Gang Rape - (351 reads)

20 most voted stories

· 1: North Carolina Woman Gang Raped By Seven Illegal Aliens - (48 votes)
· 2: Press Release - Americans for Legal Immigration PAC forms to support candidates - (42 votes)
· 3: NC License Issue Explodes: Illegal Alien Gang Rape Suspects had Valid NC Licens - (35 votes)
· 4: Illegal Aliens Receiving Licenses and Voter Registration in NC - (30 votes)
· 5: Latino Vs. Black Gang Fight Turns LA High School Into War Zone - (26 votes)
· 6: Representative Russell Pearce's Son Shot by Illegal Alien - (13 votes)
· 7: Another gang rape by Latino gangs reported. - (12 votes)
· 8: ALIPAC Exclusive: More illegal aliens charged with kidnapping & gang rape - (11 votes)
· 9: Another Illegal Alien Gang Rapist Sentenced in NY - (10 votes)
· 10: ''We are taking our land back!'' says Proponent of Illegal Immigrants - (10 votes)
· 11: NC: 22 fugitive illegal aliens arrested for felony offenses. - (8 votes)
· 12: GROWING ANGER OVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - (7 votes)
· 13: Latino Group Claims Gang Rape By Illegal Aliens was ''consensual'' - (5 votes)
· 14: Illegal Immigrant Workers Do More Harm Than Good - (5 votes)
· 15: Threat to nuke plant revealed - (5 votes)
· 16: Illegal Immigration: ''If You Ain't Mad, You Ain't Paying Attention'' - (5 votes)
· 17: U.S. Social Security Ties with Mexico is Bad for America - (4 votes)
· 18: America - A Predator's Paradise? - (4 votes)
· 19: ALIPAC Joins The 'Fire Dreier' Campaign/Endorses Cynthia Matthews - (4 votes)
· 20: Latino Group Questions The Investigation of Illegal Alien Gang Rape - (4 votes)

20 best rated stories (based on 5 maximun points)

· 1: North Carolina Woman Gang Raped By Seven Illegal Aliens - (4.64 points)
· 2: Press Release - Americans for Legal Immigration PAC forms to support candidates - (4.64 points)
· 3: NC License Issue Explodes: Illegal Alien Gang Rape Suspects had Valid NC Licens - (4.8 points)
· 4: Illegal Aliens Receiving Licenses and Voter Registration in NC - (4.43 points)
· 5: Latino Vs. Black Gang Fight Turns LA High School Into War Zone - (4.88 points)
· 6: Representative Russell Pearce's Son Shot by Illegal Alien - (5 points)
· 7: Another gang rape by Latino gangs reported. - (4.16 points)
· 8: ALIPAC Exclusive: More illegal aliens charged with kidnapping & gang rape - (4.54 points)
· 9: ''We are taking our land back!'' says Proponent of Illegal Immigrants - (4.6 points)
· 10: Another Illegal Alien Gang Rapist Sentenced in NY - (4.2 points)
· 11: NC: 22 fugitive illegal aliens arrested for felony offenses. - (5 points)
· 12: GROWING ANGER OVER ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - (5 points)
· 13: Illegal Immigrant Workers Do More Harm Than Good - (4.2 points)
· 14: U.S. Social Security Ties with Mexico is Bad for America - (5 points)
· 15: ALIPAC Joins The 'Fire Dreier' Campaign/Endorses Cynthia Matthews - (5 points)
· 16: Americans Taking Action Against Illegal Immigration State-by-State! - (5 points)
· 17: 9/11 GROUP VOWS TO PUT CONGRESS' 'FEET TO FIRE' - (5 points)
· 18: America - A Predator's Paradise? - (4.75 points)
· 19: Latino Group Claims Gang Rape By Illegal Aliens was ''consensual'' - (3.6 points)
· 20: Latino Group Questions The Investigation of Illegal Alien Gang Rape - (4.75 points)

President Bush may be popular where you live, but he's not very popular here in Mexifornia.

BTW, this state has already become "brown" (your word) with illegal aliens by the millions, and unfortunately it's also going bankrupt. Our kids' schools are overloaded with non-English speakers, our hospitals are closing under the strain, our social services are stretched to the failing point, our taxes are sky-high, and we're getting the return of diseases that had been eradicated. I guess you think all of that is OK because of your worship of a President who makes a mockery of our laws.

Further, we have hispanic college professors who are teaching their students that the southwest belongs to Mexico, and that they will overtake us by their numbers. MECHA is preaching the same crap.

It must be nice to know that you're up there in the north country and have no idea and don't care what I'm talking about.

No papers necessary. You just need you National ID swipe card to get certain federal privileges. You don't need to carry it. That is straw man stuff. It will assist in preventing fraud.

And when does a national ID card become required to not just get federal privileges, but day-to-day essentials? What if you can't even buy gas or food unless you have the proper ID?