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No Kid Rock at Bush concert
WND ^ | January 12, 2005 | WND

Posted on 01/12/2005 10:38:23 AM PST by ejdrapes

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To: Long Cut

I couldn't disagree more. I was once their age and liked everything from classical music to rock and disco. And I never expected the Republican party to cater to my tastes in music. In fact, it wasn't even a consideration. I didn't give it a thought. I was attracted to the party for their conservastive stands on social and other issues. Today's young people will be attracted to the same.


1,101 posted on 01/13/2005 10:28:36 AM PST by TAdams8591 (It ceases to be OUR charity when the GOVERNMENT gives it away!)
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To: Long Cut

Well said, Long Cut. Much of it is about the younger adults being told what is best for them by those who are quite possibly really more concerned about themselves.


1,102 posted on 01/13/2005 5:09:33 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: TheBigB
I love Kid Rock.. In fact Cowboy may be my all time favorite song. I don't really see any problem with him not performing at the inauguration though.

I think artists who sell themselves like whores to politicians $uck. Kid rock is an entertainer. Who he supports politically shouldn't matter in the least. I wish all musicians and actors would just shut up about their (usually) brain dead politics.
1,103 posted on 01/14/2005 9:23:02 AM PST by monday
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To: JeffAtlanta
"In fact, I believe that without the war on terrorism, Bush probably wouldn't have won."

The truth is, Bush won because Kerry was an unlikeable, unprincipled, liberal from Massachusetts. Sadly, if Bush had been running against Bill Clinton he probably would have lost.
1,104 posted on 01/14/2005 9:35:41 AM PST by monday
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To: SeasideSparrow

"Sorry, liberals, I know wearing the big L on your foreheads is a heavy burden to bear,"

The only "L" on anyones forehead around here is your's, and it doesn't stand for 'liberal', it stands for loser.


1,105 posted on 01/14/2005 9:39:26 AM PST by monday
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To: hchutch
One thing for sure: The message is loud and clear: The "Republican Party Reptiles" and "South Park Republicans" are, at best, barely tolerated among conservatives.

I would not give the honor of bestowing the term "conservative" upon these anti-Kid Rock folks. To me, conservatism is all about staying the hell out of other peoples' business, and frankly, several of these "social conservatives" are not very conservative when it comes to economics and size of government.

1,106 posted on 01/14/2005 10:24:27 AM PST by jmc813 (J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS)
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To: monday
The truth is, Bush won because Kerry was an unlikeable, unprincipled, liberal from Massachusetts. Sadly, if Bush had been running against Bill Clinton he probably would have lost.

True about Bill Clinton, but even with all of Kerry's shortcomings he barely lost. My point was that the war of terrorism won the election for Bush because it was such a big issue.

To be honest, I didn't plan on voting for Bush again a year or so before the election. I was fed up with empty promises on immigration and gov't reduction and his love for big expansion of government programs like No Child Left Behind and the prescription bill. I was also upset about how Bush caved on the TSA unionization.

Its true that a democratic president would have done even worse, but at least we could hold that against him and try to vote him out. I believe that Bush spent his entire term buying votes.

I did end up voting for Bush though and not halfheartedly. The war on terrorism was just too important. Bush kind of understands the WOT but the democrats are on a different planet with their approach.

Sadly, after today's interview where Bush said that he made a mistake in talking tough and promised to be more diplomatic, I wonder if we really gained anything. He seems to be devoting his new term to fulfilling Kerry's campaign promises.

There is a huge contingent that vote GOP because they want a smaller intrusive gov't, respect for property rights, an embracement of capitalism over socialism and a strong defense coupled with a foreign policy that emphasizes American interests and sovereignty. This contingent couldn't really care any less about moral issues.

Its this huge contingent that reelected Bush. Family values and moral values had nothing to do it.

1,107 posted on 01/14/2005 12:36:05 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: TAdams8591
I was attracted to the party for their conservastive stands on social and other issues. Today's young people will be attracted to the same.

The youth of America cares nothing about the conservative social stands. In fact, it makes them reject the party. The only young people that care about "conservative" social issues are ones that are those involved in the ministry.

Young people (and a lot of others) are attracted to the republican party due to their economic and foreign policy stands, not the party's social policy.

The "morality police" aspect of the party is poison to voters and turns the vote about 70% democratic.

1,108 posted on 01/14/2005 12:47:26 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
"There is a huge contingent that vote GOP because they want a smaller intrusive gov't, respect for property rights, an embracement of capitalism over socialism ...

I know, but voting GOP for that stuff is like voting Democrat for the same reasons. The GOP doesn't stand for any of that. I voted for Bush too, but only because I couldn't stand Kerry.

I guess we have only ourselves to blame. If we insist on voting for the lesser of two evils we shouldn't be surprised if we keep ending up with evil.
1,109 posted on 01/14/2005 12:53:49 PM PST by monday
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To: JeffAtlanta
Voices on the right (young conservatives) - A 2001 survey done by the University of California at Berkeley found that young people today are substantially more likely to support conservative social initiatives such as prayer in school, federal support for faith-based charity, and limits on abortion. Of 1,250 people aged 15-92 surveyed, 60-70 percent of college students and teenagers supported such initiatives, compared with about half the adults surveyed.

"There [are] legitimate people out there that really believe in this, and I think that's because some parents in some respects are a little more protective because they know what they did during the '60s generation," says Mr. Thompson, who expects to begin his freshman year at Hillsdale College in Michigan this fall. "Then, there's also some [for whom] I think it's a rebellion, almost. You see the excesses of that generation. And people, when they see the excesses of one generation, they go to another side."

If liberal parents are not enough cause for rebellion, liberal school environments may also spur conservative-leaning students to new extremes. Thompson says some conservative students are "ostracized" in high school.


America's youth is increasingly conservative. Not just economically conservative but socially as well. They see the failure of the Red-Diaper Doper "Cultural Revolution" of the sixties. They are rebelling against their baby-boomer parents' lack of morality and direction. They are America's next generation of conservatives. Chicken Littles who'd rather side with the ACLU than the Christian Right have no future in the Republican Party.

Cultural Conservatives have had enough of the filth and decadence of liberal social policies, and we are ready to take our country back from the fem-nazis and the girlymen. Social Conservatives don't cost Republicans votes, it's leftist decadence and lack of morality that has caused a backlash against the libertines and put the Christian Right in power. The more you people offend America, the stronger the Right gets.

1,110 posted on 01/14/2005 1:16:01 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
America's youth is increasingly conservative. Not just economically conservative but socially as well.

That is a very biased analysis of the survey. I found the original survey on Berkeley's website and here are some things the Christian Science Monitor left out...

* Abortion. Government restrictions on abortion are supported by 34 percent of adults over 26, while about 44 percent of youths ages 15 to 22 support such restrictions.

Youths are more inclined to want the federal government to do more to protect women and racial minorities from job discrimination. They also are more likely to consider job discrimination against gays and lesbians to be a serious problem. And they want more federal programs to assist the poor and protect the environment.

Differences between the young and old are most dramatic when it comes to sex and violence on television. Among Americans ages 27-59, 67 percent think "the amount of sexual content on television" is a serious problem, while just 47 percent of teens and the college-aged feel that way.

And while an overwhelming majority of the adults ages 27 to 59 - 74 percent - thinks TV violence is a serious problem, the majority of teens and young adults - 55 percent - disagree.

link to review

Do you really think that this data projects the idea that the youth vote is in step with the "moralality police" aspect of the GOP?

Even with these corrections, the poll tends to be very flawed. One obvious flaw is that they include 15 year olds in the polling. A lot of 15 and 17 year olds are still very sheltered when living at home. Its not until they go to college or get out of the house that the develop a more permissive attitude.

Another flaw is the poll goes goes completely against voting patterns. I've never seen a young person outside of a church setting ever concerned about prayer in school. The poll (or at least the summary) didn't break down how important each issue was.

The Christian Science Monitor take on the poll was a complete sham. It amazes me how religious publications can be just as intellectually dishonest as the left wing media.

1,111 posted on 01/14/2005 2:59:27 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Cultural Conservatives have had enough of the filth and decadence of liberal social policies, and we are ready to take our country back from the fem-nazis and the girlymen."

I agree with you on that. However, I am 26 and libertarian. I don't think you quite get it.

Many young people are sick of the liberal social PC politics of the sixties generation but that doesn't mean we embrace the authoritarian conformist morality of the fifties generation either. They both pretty much $uck.

The good news is we tend to think for ourselves more than at any other time in history. Our politics and values are all over the board, unlike previous generations who tended to march in lock step culturally. It's a good thing to learn to think for yourself at a young age.
1,112 posted on 01/14/2005 3:05:24 PM PST by monday
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To: monday
Very well put. And I think that our new age of hyper free-flow of information with the advent and explosion of the internet and cable TV, more open political discourse, and the lightning pace of today's news cycle (and ability to counter/correct their inconsistencies and falsehoods) enables our young to form informed opinion through THEIR OWN more objectively educated filters, rather than through persuasion of those ill-informed (who many times are their otherwise trusted elders,) or through (or as the result of) peer pressure to fit in, or to appear as though they know more than they really do.

Our younger generation CARES to know more, and to be involved more, in our country's political process and in *their* government. At least *I* think this to be the case. I think that today's youth take more pride in, and again care more, to know how their particular, informed, chosen stance and ideology debates out to a foundation devoid of intellectual flaw.

As YOU said, monday: " It's a good thing to learn to think for yourself at a young age."

1,113 posted on 01/14/2005 8:52:46 PM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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