Putin's claims strain Israeli-Russian relations
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Posted on 01/11/2005 2:10:46 PM PST by anotherview
There's nothing I can do about that. I didn't write the article. I didn't post it either, but if it's running in the Jerusalem Post, I don't see any harm in it's being posted here. At least it gives people a chance to assess the source.
This Ukraine story can be a cover up story to hide the real news? Is that why JPOST covered a Channel 2 news story?
Let us see what the enemy's aljazeera news is saying about this:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/27F3F58B-8B78-4AEF-A279-1AAF7ACC9CD1.htm
There is a silent crisis in Israeli-Russian diplomatic relations, possibly related to Israeli spying activities focused on Russian nuclear cooperation with Iran.
Aluf Benn of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported on Thursday that "a highly classified problem" between Russian and Israel was the real reason for the emergency meeting convened by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon earlier this week.
The meeting was attended by Israel's Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom, Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz and intelligence officials.
Then the Israeli media was told that the meeting was precipitated by concern over recent "anti-Semitic statements" allegedly made by President Vladimir Putin.
However, Haaretz's government sources said this rationale was "only partial and tendentious" and was aimed at concealing the real reason for the crisis which Sharon insisted be kept secret.
A spokesperson for the Israeli foreign ministry acknowledged that there is a "problem" between the two countries, but refused to give any details.
Similarly the press attaché at the Russian embassy in Tel Aviv refused to "confirm or deny" the Ha'aretz report.
He told Aljazeera.net he was in no position to comment on the story.
Iran connection
A high-ranking European diplomat based in Jerusalem told Aljazeera.net that the reported crisis might have something to do with espionage.
"It is no secret that the Mossad has been making efforts to disrupt Russia's supplies of nuclear materials to Iran," the EU diplomat, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said.
Yossi Alpher, a noted Israeli political analyst, ruled out rumours that the reported crisis was probably connected with secret Jewish Agency activities aimed at prompting more Russian Jews to emigrate to Israel.
He also said that Israel would never seek to upset Russian by doing "foolish things" like supplying arms to Chechen rebels.
Aljazeera
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So it seems something happened - a cover story was spread out and it morphed.
see #42
Before anyone goes aha! Remember - it is Aljazeera, ok?
Yup, they were so civilized they ate the Polynesian population of Taiwan, whom they considered subhumans. I also loved that decree that any Chinese male who lost his top knot lost his head. Now that's civilization for you.
Putin's claims strain Israeli-Russian relations
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I think the Manchus were behind the law for the wearing of the top knot for Chinese males as a form of the Star of David to tell Chinese apart from Manchus - or was that long hair?
You should have read more down - crappy source.
yes, they were a minority in Germany too and it still cost 30 million lives.
I don't believe that Putin is as big of an anti-Semite as some people (mostly those who live outside of Russia) make him out to be. Jews in the former Soviet Union enjoy more religious freedom and protection than at any other time in history.
I can get my reports of Jewish life in Russia from my family who live there and not from Israeli media outlets.
| Propaganda | Truth |
|---|---|
| Putin is a communist | Putin has implemented a flat tax of 13%, got rid of the Sales tax, set the corporate tax at 24%, cut the VAT in half, cut 1/3rd off the payroll tax. He has cut back on government size (shrinking government). He has put up 20% of Russian land for sale, the government is in the process of divesting of the remainder of its shares in various companies. There has been judicial reform to a sitting jury from a triumvirate of judges. There has also been a total reform of the banking center, in order to make it transparent. |
| Russia and China are allied to destroy the US | Russia has recently passed up China for an oil export route and choose instead Japan. China had to turn to Iran. Russia is rearming in Siberia, while she arms India with over 400 new tanks, a wing of new aircraft, two nuclear submarines and an aircraft carrier to intercept Chinese shipping. Russia has armed S.Korea with T-90s, armed Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Kazakhstan. Russia has attempted (by itself and through the US) to arm Taiwan also. The majority of weapons sold to China are aimed at the US navy, to which China will not be able to catch up for at least another generation. |
| Russia trains with China to destroy the US/West | This year alone, Russia has had joint maneuvers with Japan & S.Korea and then again with the US and UK off the Chinese Coast. |
| There is a Putin pandering mafia after me. | There is a dedicated group of Freepers who are out to expose this propagandist's lies and distortions, for which he has already been banned twice. |
| If you are against me you must be a (take your choice) A. communist, B. Putin lover, C. Russian Orthodox, D. Russian, E. Delusional, F. All of the Above | G. None of the Above. You must be a lover of truth and a hater of yellow journalism, empty conspiracy theories and plain propaganda. |
| The FSB/Russians are behind all the terrorism, including the theater and Beslan. | Only someone blind or shilling for Islam would on a continuous basis shift blame away from the terrorists and onto the victims. |
| Russia is giving Iran nukes. | Wrong. Russia is providing a civilian nuclear reactor with a contract to return spent rods. Do most of us agree with this? No, we are against this. Is this nuclear weapons technology? No. Our allie Pakistan with the assistance of our Most Valued Trading partner China are giving Iran missile and bomb technology. |
| Russia, and Putin in particular, hate Israel and wish to destroy it. | Wrong. Russia is Israel's second closest allie and trading partner and provides Israel with most of its oil and sells it weapons technology. |
| Putin is an Atheist, a hater of Christ. | Putin was baptized as a child, a regular church goer and has proven his faith on numerous occasions. |
| Russia supports Islamic terrorism. | Wrong. The Soviet Union supported socialist Arab revolutionaries/terrorists like the Palestinian People's Liberation Front. Modern day Russia does not support these groups. Our allie Saudi Arabia is the number one backer of all major Islamic groups. |
| Putin is a dictator | Putin was popularly elected with over 70% of the vote, a mandate. He functions within a constitution. True Parliament is dominated by pro-Putin right wing parties, also elected freely. The various right parties received over 83% of the vote. |
| Putin hates Bush. | Putin has been Bush's loudest cheerleader, louder and in front of Sharon, Blair or Berlusconi |
| Putin is moving to grab power through selecting governors. | The governors still have to pass the local Oblast's Parliament's review (that's province). Further, England, Italy and France all have the same systems. |
| Robert W. Lee another TapTheSource writers are credible. | Hardly, most like Mr. Lee, belong to the John Birch society, an organization steeped in conspiracy theories. |
| Yeltsin's declaration of open borders is a hollow one for Soviet citizens, who still cannot leave their country. Even travel outside the Soviet Union is heavily restricted, regardless of the Soviet republic | Typical propaganda leveled by TapTheSource or his articles. Anyone without a criminal warrant can leave at will, so long as the receiving nation will issue a Visa. |
| The Secret Soviets are still in charge and everything is part of their plan. | Lets take this lunacy to its full extent: The Soviets in their diabolic mysterious master plan allowed the Warsaw pact to collapse, the countries to open up and half of them to join NATO (I guess to corrupt NATO from within, regardless that it is those new NATO members that support America now and most of old NATO that is against America, lets ignore that fact). They allowed the Soviet Union itself to fall apart, some of which is also now part of NATO. They allowed the military to degrade, trade secrets to be sold or stolen, Chinese immigrants to come in mass into southern Siberia. Most of their bases to shut down. The economy to dive and only grow again under Capitalism freer then America's. They further allowed the young to not even know who Lenin was, for Islamics (who are all pawns of the Soviets, you see) to attack Russia on a daily basis. All this so that once America was the only apparent supper power, had its military in 120+ nations they could do what? Spring their surprise offensive? Materialize the great invasion army from outer space or outer Mongolia? Or marry enough American men to convert them (think body snatchers) into 5th Columnists and take over the US from inside? (of course that more people then ever voted Republican is also part of their master and evil plan). As a matter of fact, everything that happens that makes this theory look ludicrous for the past 15 years, well that's just part of the brilliance of their master plan. Oh and did we mention that they were obviously able to make Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. into a bunch of idiots who could not see into their plan. So either this is all BS, or every American expert in the government and politician is an idiot and we as a nation are a bunch of idiots (except for the members of the John Birth Society, the only masters of the illuminate able to see this grand Jewish .. erg .. Russian conspiracy. |
| Russia is a dirt poor country. | Russia ranks, according to the CIA World FactBook GDP: purchasing power parity - $1.282 trillion (2003 est.), which places it just behind (now ahead) of Italy, the world's 7th largest economy. |
| Anna Politkovskaya is a reputable Russian journalist who is fighting Putin's facism. | Hardly. Anna Politkovskaya is an opportunist and a leftist. Having become a "political" refugee in the early 1990s, she now has FRENCH citizenship, writes for the socialist La Monde and the socialist Novaye Gazeta. She has staged several of her own "assassination" attempts to better her street credits while meeting constantly with Chechin and Al Quida terrorists and writing gushing love stories of them. Further, anyone who thinks that just because she hates Putin she is pro Bush, you couldn't be more wrong. She is in league with the devil incarnate, Soros, and hates Bush as much. A leftist is a leftist, but judge for yourself and read her views of Bush and the CONSERVATIVES of AMERICA. COWBOY FRIENDS (Praise for Moore) |
| Russia is a nation that only relies on oil. | A total lie, mostly spread by Wahhabi islamic Saudi Arabia and various NeoCons who favor US investment to Facist (and pro-Islamic) China. Read here about the state of the Russian economy that is now returning as a major industrial and IT power. Russia competes directly with India on IT and has had manufacturing climbing at an incredible rate. Financ e Ministry to work on debt payment schedule |
| Ion Mihai Pacepa is a credible source. | Ion Mihai Pacepa was a 2-Star General in the Romanian KGB. The man made a career of upholding the second worst dictatorship Cecescu, in the Warsaw Pact, second only to Stalin's SU. He spent some 30 years building this murderer's power base. Obviously Pacepa was smart enough to read the writing on the way and see the end coming. He "defected" and now makes money writing books and articles. He never stood trial for his evil crimes, after the Romanian Revolution, even as his former master was executed. |
| The dramatic rise of oil prices, in April-September 2002, gave Kremlin new chances for survival. | Only if one ignores the 6-7% growth rates of 200 & 2001 and the tripling of revenues from the 13% flat tax in 2001. |
| Russia greatly expanded military supplies to China; in January-August 2002, the two countries concluded weapons supply contracts | Moscow is in the business of selling weapons, second largest after America. Thus, when China, rich with American cash from the giant trade deficit, ordered weapons from Russia, Israel and France. Russia did not give away "supplies" but sold weapons systems. They also sold weapons systems to India, Indonesia, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Greece, Cyprus, Malaysia, Thailand and a host of other nations. |
| During August and the first half of September, Russia\x{2019}s Defense Ministry and Foreign Ministry made a series of tough anti-Georgian statements, using as a pretext "the presence of Chechen terrorists in the Pankisi Gorge" (a small valley in Georgia bordering Russia). In the beginning of September, Russian bombers made a strike in Georgian territory. | The Pankisi Gorge is an area about half the size of W.Virgina, covered in some of the highest mountains and some of the deepest valleys of the world. Mostly unpopulated and forested, it is used as a training base for Islamics. Recently those none existent islamics perpetrated Beslan and Baseyov himself stated or boasted that he is allied to President Sakaashvili, president of Georgia and a Soros puppet. The strikes were made at early dawn by SU-25s, an impossability for Russia, since to reach it, it's closest SU-25s would have to have taken off and flow at night. Being a second rate SU, after the SU-33s, it is a day light capable only fighter/bomber. Georgia, on the other hand, has built several SU-25s with Israeli assistance that have state of the art night capabilities. Furthermore, no hard proof of the bombing was ever presented by the Georgian government, only recycled photos from 5 years prior. |
| And on Sept. 11, Putin himself threatened Georgia with a heavy military strike if the Georgian government didn\x{2019}t meet Russia\x{2019}s demands. Again, Washington protested, again with no results. | This was in response to a demand that Georgia stop granting visas, protection and support to Chechins, Arabs and other Islamics in the Pankisi Gorge and was limited to Russia stepping into that territory itself. This, after Georgia's only and now formally independent TV Station reported the presence of the terrorists, embarressing then President Shevernadze. |
China has universally been acknowledged as an ancient and continuous civilization: see Huntington's "Clash", p.45 - and find all the references there. "Ashche kto bradu breet i prestavitsya tikho, ne dostoit takovo v tserkvi khoronit', s nevernymi da prichtyotsya"- Stoglavyi sobor, Moscow, 1551. [re: topknots].
Come on over to the hate feast, the water is fine and bloody.
But hay, it won't stop the Hatemongers led by our 3 Polish EU Trolls from spreading a little hate. Look at the 3 individuals who post most of the anti-Russian articles, same 3 same EUers. Nothing surprising here.
I didn't say they weren't civilized, just seems your idea on civilization keeps morphing. You keep harping human rights for examples of civilization, then you talk about China (of course we know you're morphing your position to any that slams the Russians which you hate) so I point out a few facts about Chinese civilization. I can give you a few about others too. Like the Opium wars where England's government became drug pushers spreading Heroine all over the place in China. Or the Germans who exterminated one African tribe after another who didn't bow down to the Kaiser. So what is civilization? Is it the ability to read/write and organize? Is it the ability to forgive your neighbor or to spread measels infected blankets to wipe him out?
From a distance, it seem's to me Yuschenko won as fair and square as could be under the circumstances. Beyond that, I don't have any opinion on Putin-Israel differences, I'm just not aware of them.
You are always whining like a liberal about mean old hatemongers. You are such a pathetic victim.
Oh, the one track mind is back. I'm whining like a liberal? Coming from a man who jumps into any bed as long as the position is anti-Russian, no matter how questionable, leftist or Chechin islamic, you've got a lot of room to talk.
We all feel so sorry for you and how all the mean old haters are out to get you. They're all mean old EU Polish conspiracy Chechcen neocons. They are all GIJoel and they're all out to get you and and they hate Russians and Baby Jesus!
I see you've got nothing going for you yet another evening. The hate in your heart is telling. But that'll be between you and Christ, even sorry Allah doesn't exist.
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