Nine Commentaries on the [Chinese] Communist Party (Anti-ChiCom piece from Chinese perspective)

The Epoch Times ^ | Dec 01 2004 | The Epoch Times Commentary

[NZerFromHK]

Well, at least Falun Gong is right about the CCP. I myself am a paleo-KMT supporter (which means I support unification of China under the Republic of China banner i.e. simultaneously anti-CCP and anti-Taiwanese independence - this stance is pretty marginal these days and my guess is that you can put all the under 40 supporters in the world into a tour bus) and I and tallhappy are at loggerheads over Chen Shui-bian and the Democratic Progressive Party and Taiwanese Independence movement when it comes to Taiwanese politics.

But it doesn't mean that I can't support him when he comments about Beijing.

[NZerFromHK]

It is doubly painful for Chinese to look at problems with China today. When you live with the fact that "This is your country" and witnessing it's literally turning into hell on earth, it becomes almost unbearable.

[NZerFromHK]

Sorry forgot to post all URL links of various parts. Here they are:

0. Introduction
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-1/24696.html

1. On What the Communist Party Is
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-9/24672.html

2. On the Beginnings of the Chinese Communist Party
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-13/24830.html

3. On the Tyranny of the Chinese Communist Party
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-13/24939.html

4. On How the Communist Party Is an Anti-Universe Force
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-14/24953.html

5. On the Collusion of Jiang Zemin with the CCP to Persecute Falun Gong
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-18/24972.html

6. On How the Chinese Communist Party Destroyed Traditional Culture
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-20/25087.html

7. On the Chinese Communist Party’s History of Killing
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-23/25124.html

8. On How the Chinese Communist Party Is an Evil Cult
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-26/25182.html

9. On the Scoundrel Nature of the Chinese Communist Party
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/4-12-30/25242.html

[hitherehard]

Good read, I learned. The transfer of American wealth and jobs to China is not in OUR best interest. Im all for free market but they dont have a free market when their Gov is running everything or subsidizing. Someday they may be ready, but rewarding them while they are still a Commie country is wrong. I believe we should have waited and rewarded them if and when they showed progress. Its all back assward IMO.

[NZerFromHK]

And ironically, much of the wealth transferred went into the corrupt officials' pockets and then came back to your country via their purchases in properties in the US - literally China today is an "empty shell": you see the superficial prosperity in a dozen of major cities (especuially those on the eastern coastal side) but in fact many friends living in even the most prosperous parts of the country (Gurngzhou, for example) told me that no real economic activity exists except big spending on entertainment, eating, and drinking by those became rich by associations or officials.

Much of the economy looks good in a glance, but well, it is a classical sub-colonial economy controlled by American, German, Japanese, Korean, British, Taiwanese firms. At the end of the day, the PRC is in fact at the mercy of you guys.

Keep reading. It is far more anti-Chinese Communists than anything you will have come up so far in the West.

[NZerFromHK]

Ping!

[snowsislander]

Much of the economy looks good in a glance, but well, it is a classical sub-colonial economy controlled by American, German, Japanese, Korean, British, Taiwanese firms. At the end of the day, the PRC is in fact at the mercy of you guys.

I don't think that any country with a military advancing like China's, plenty of ready cash, and a vast surplus of people is at the mercy of smaller countries. Especially for the United States, which is also borrowing money from the Chinese to fund its fiscal deficit.

[NZerFromHK]

Actually 2/3 of the budgets have gone into kickbacks or individual pockets. And much of the weapons really bought are what the Chinese would call "Projects about face" i.e. flashy on the surface, but can't be used when the need comes - it is not what I say, but rather military analysts in Hong Kong like Ma Ting-shing (who's about as insider Chinese military strategy analyst this side of the language barrier as possible).

(Remember the days before the first Sino-Japanese war in 1894: Qing dynasty-era China reputedly had the world's 4th largest navy courtesy of the 1860s to 1880s modernization programme (Yanmu yundong) but it couldn't fight against the Japanese despite in larger numbers and roughly comparable technology).

[NewLand]

Great stuff, but shouldn't you post links to all this i/o using FR bandwidth?

China is one country for sure where we can totally separate the government (bad) from the citizens (good) when making decisions about our relationship, unlike in the Middle East where we have fundamental and deep rooted anti-western and anti-American groups under every rock.

Trade that has enriched the Chinese citizenry is a good thing, IMO, because it takes them out of slavery and gives them and subsequent generations a better taste of freedom and independence.

It's only a matter of time, as you said. We should continue our positive relationship with the Chinese people. They will eventually become the strongest ally against radical Islam (WOT).

[NZerFromHK]

I wanted to do that, but I was afraid many won't bother reading them when they see links. If you post everything here, everyone will have read it. ;)

[Quix]

THANKS TONS.

Forwarding to my email list including Chinese living in the west.

[snowsislander]

(Remember the days before the first Sino-Japanese war in 1894: Qing dynasty-era China reputedly had the world's 4th largest navy courtesy of the 1860s to 1880s modernization programme (Yanmu yundong) but it couldn't fight against the Japanese despite in larger numbers and roughly comparable technology

Chinese history of that era isn't something that I have read all that much about, but if memory serves, this was the China of the Boxer Rebellion and "the sick man of Asia" period: every major power had troops in China. Germany, Russia, Japan, the United States, Britain, we all piled in. I don't think that China is weak enough that we could all simply put troops in there now, though it was certainly just that weak then.

[wita]

This is the longest read by far of any I have been associated with. The bottom line having read but half of the submission, Chiang Kai-shek was booted out and went to Taiwan. Taiwan prospered, China was not through with mass murder and the buildup of the communist party, which in reality is more of an offshoot of evil dictatorship and ruthless domination than any party affiliation, which seems to be the ultimate goal of any communist inspired revolutions.

Of Course you need a name to rally around and 5000 years of culture was not good enough, and wouldn't necessarily provide motivation for the terror needed to control such a large populace. So China pursued the course of deception, and domination, with hong kong and Taiwan as loud examples of what a peaceful and historical China could be.

Far less deception, and domination required to keep a working populace in check. They were so busy earning a living and building up the country, they had no time for murder, political intrigue, deception and the thousand other mind games of the ruling class in China. Communism was just the sad means of their (the ruling class) maintaining power. A sad legacy for a land with 5000 years of better history.

Now Hong Kong and Taiwan continue as examples of capitalism, with the added threat for Taiwan of re-unification which I think could wait another 50 years, so that mainland China has had ample opportunity to completely reject communism and the deception and domination phase of government policy.

China will resume the important role that her size and history dictate, when and if she ever decides to renounce the evil she has allowed to grow withing her borders, and the people become something besides slaves and cannon fodder to the ruling class. How this will play out remains to be seen, but the movement is growing, and it may not be a pretty site if blood has to flow for the change to take place.

When people know there is a better way and that their future and that of their children is being controlled by those who no longer can hide behind their lies, deception, mind games and murder, things are going to change for the better sooner rather than later. The only questions are when and how.

[Quix]

THANKS TONS.

This was a lot of work for you. It's most welcome.

I hope you are safe in NZ vs HK given your posting of this!!!

God's best to you and yours in this New Year.

I'm still eager to return to teach at the univ in Taipei even though I know it may well be overrun by the CCP goons.

I just love loving Chinese students into God's Kingdom. Regardless of the cost.

I'm blessed people like you are telling the truth.

Thanks Thanks,

[Jeff Head]

I agree with the entire premise of this article, and the close at hand, experience, it brings from people who know the Communist Chinese system, it's embrace of the culture of death (as the article says, "Almost all evil cults control their followers or resist external pressure through violence. However, few have resorted to the extent the CCP has to violent means without compunction. Even the total number of deaths caused by all other evil cults across the world cannot compare to the number of people killed by the CCP. The CCP cult sees humanity as merely a means to realize its goal; killing is just another means."), and its overtly tyranical nature.

At the same time, those leaders have found a means to extend their life span (speaking of the system) through courting and mesmerizing the west with the potential of a huge market (which they never intend to open to the west for the vast majority of their peoples), and cheap labor, so that the funds literally pour in. My contention is that the Chinese Communist party WILL ultimately go down. By helping them fund their own misbegotten attempts to rise to self-sufficiency, when they otherwise would have failed miserably and fallen, we may in fact insure that it goes down hard (meaning the potential for out and out war). Either way, it will fail and free will and a republican form of government will ultimately return to China IMHO.

[snowsislander]

My contention is that the Chinese Communist party WILL ultimately go down. By helping them fund their own misbegotten attempts to rise to self-sufficiency, when they otherwise would have failed miserably and fallen, we may in fact insure that it goes down hard (meaning the potential for out and out war). Either way, it will fail and free will and a republican form of government will ultimately return to China IMHO.

We all hope so. Another Warring States period would be bad enough, but the thought that the present vile regime will continue unabated is, in my opinion, even worse.

The happiest of all endings would be another Velvet Revolution, but I don't think Chinese history offers a great deal of hope on that count. (It's not my area, though, and I could simple be unaware of such an event or even events in Chinese history.)

I think we should stop supporting the current regime, and cease trade with such a repugnant government.

[tallhappy]

Problem is, if one is anti-Taiwan independence then one is pro-CCP by default.

That's what pro-U non-communist have to understand and understand they cannot align with CCP just because most people in Taiwan don't want to be or are skeptical of any benefit to being part of a unified China.

[Tailgunner Joe]

I am not against Taiwan independence, but a declaration of Independence would be as unnecessary as a US declaration of Independence from Britain today. Taiwan is already independent. A Declaration of Independence would cost Taiwan vital American support.

[tallhappy]

What do you mean by Declaration of Indpependence?