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Congress to Weigh Tsunami Warning System
AP ^ | January 7, 2005 | AP Staff

Posted on 01/07/2005 9:08:22 AM PST by tvn

Such a system exists only in the Pacific Ocean. A magnitude 9.0 earthquake in the Indian Ocean on Dec. 26 created the tsunami that devastated parts of southern Asia.

"The death and destruction caused by the South Asian tsunami has exposed a glaring gap in our high-tech age of global connectedness," Lieberman said. "And that is the absence of a worldwide tsunami detection and warning system that existing technology can provide us at a relatively low cost."

Lieberman's bill calls for expanding the Pacific system and adding similar ones in the Atlantic and Indian oceans, the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea.

The Commerce Department's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration would use up to 50 ocean-based sensors, each costing up to $250,000 to install and $50,000 a year to maintain. Six now exist in the Pacific. NOAA also would have to pay to collect and relay the information from the ocean to satellites to international warning centers. Though tsunamis are rare, Lieberman and other government officials said the potential devastation justified the cost.

"If you had a huge tsunami hitting Florida or New York, or it could go right up the Chesapeake Bay and the Potomac River, you would have a major disaster," said Larry Roeder, who heads the State Department's Global Disaster Information Network.

GDIN is working on such a design for protecting huge populations in coastal areas. It will be presented to the United Nations-sponsored World Conference on Disaster Reduction this month in Kobe, Japan.

Only three years ago the Hawaii-based Pacific Tsunami Warning Center, run by NOAA, got a half-dozen sensors to transmit tsunami data in the Pacific that could be relayed by satellite to scientists.

Klaus Toepfer, executive director of the Kenya-based U.N. Environment Program, said Thursday that setting up a tsunami early warning system for the Indian Ocean is a high priority, especially to protect small island nations. He said several countries were asking for U.N. help to study how to do it.

"Let us hope that this spirit of solidarity with the victims and their families can be carried on beyond this tragedy, so that the existing and emerging environmental threats ... can also be tackled," Toepfer said.

Australian scientists are designing an Indian Ocean warning system for about $20 million. About 30 seismographs would detect earthquakes, and 10 tidal gauges and six special buoys would provide deep-ocean assessment and tsunami reporting.

None of the systems proposed, including Lieberman's, accounts for a more costly factor _ communications links to warn people in coastal areas before giant waves arrive.

Commerce Secretary nominee Carlos Gutierrez said at his Senate confirmation hearing this week that better analysis and prediction of weather and maritime hazards will be a priority.

Lieberman said he didn't know how long building a global tsunami warning system would take.

Had such a system been in place in the Indian Ocean, NOAA Administrator Conrad C. Lautenbacher says, thousands of lives might have been spared.

Six tsunami buoys are connected to pressure recorders 20,000 feet below on the ocean floor in the Pacific, and Lautenbacher wants to add 15 more in that ocean. However, Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, said it would take seven years to do just that.

"That is not acceptable with what is happening out there," Inouye told Gutierrez. "We have the technology, we have the system in place. All we need is the commitment to carry this out."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: congress; joelieberman; tsunami
Advisory to Senator Lieberman-

The basic elements for a worldwide ocean warning system already exist without spending $30+ MM in US tax dollars.

In 1979, the UN led the way for the launching of the Inmarsat satellite system to link ships at sea with instant communications. Now, with the addition of global positioning satellites, all ships can be tracked throughout the globe.

To establish an effective warning system, ships can simply be required to report unusual ocean activities. These reports when linked to the ships' positions can be quickly analyzed to provide the basic information to instantly assess the need to issue advisories to regions that may be impacted.

This martime (ship based) warning system can be established immediately without the expenditure of $30 MM in US tax payer funds.

1 posted on 01/07/2005 9:08:23 AM PST by tvn
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To: tvn
Here, I already have exactly what Congress should provide in a tsunami warning system:

Get away from the coast.
Stay there at your own risk.

See, that was effective AND inexpensive.

2 posted on 01/07/2005 9:12:33 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: tvn

Well if those of us in the Western world are going to get stuck with the cleanup bill for tsunamis, I guess it makes sense for us to put in some kind of warning system all around the globe.


3 posted on 01/07/2005 9:13:42 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: tvn

So a ship as sea will let someone know when a 9.0 earthquake takes place in their area? I don't understand how that could work. How will they know?


4 posted on 01/07/2005 9:15:19 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: newgeezer

Although an Atlantic coast tsunami warning makes sense, why in the world should we have to be the ones to build a system for the rest of the ungrateful world, especially when the general global sentiment has lately been "Yankee Go Home and Die!" Let India worry about the Indian Ocean since it's the major economic and military power in that region. Sheeesh!


5 posted on 01/07/2005 9:20:36 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: tvn
"If you had a huge tsunami hitting Florida or New York, or it could go right up the Chesapeake Bay and the Potomac River, you would have a major disaster," said Larry Roeder, who heads the State Department's Global Disaster Information Network.

Well, I guess. If the conditions outlined above were to occur, I suppose we could call it a major disaster. In other words, if a tsunami happened to me and friends, it would be a major disaster. If it happened on the other side of the world, it would be a terrible tragedy.

6 posted on 01/07/2005 9:25:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

How would the guys that shot at the helicopters have been warned by this system? Digital to analog to log drum converters?


7 posted on 01/07/2005 9:31:18 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
People are free to pool their resources and build a tsunami warning system for themselves or whomever else they might want to help. I live 1000 miles from any coast but, given the right plan, I would consider contributing to warn not only our coasts but all the coasts of the entire world. In the meantime, I'll consider helping those who suffer hardship on account of a tsunami.

But, no one -- not me, not you, not our children, not Bill Gates -- should be forced to contribute to any such project. Charity should be charitable. Absent charity, there's self-responsibility.

8 posted on 01/07/2005 9:36:17 AM PST by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: tvn
Remember the hundreds of thousands who were stuck in their cars during the evacuation for Hurricane Floyd?

Now remember that a hurricane warning gives 24-36 hours notice, and usually is somewhat more localized than a tsunami warning would be.

Trying to evacuate a whole chunk of the eastern seaboard on a couple hours' notice could result in more collateral deaths than would the wave itself.

9 posted on 01/07/2005 9:52:32 AM PST by Uncle Fud
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To: tvn

Let Oprah pay for it.


10 posted on 01/07/2005 9:52:34 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: 68skylark

You can set up to be notified via email from the USGS whenever there are significant seismic events. You could write a simple program to alert a cell phone or desktop when there is an event. You probably could download the program for free.


11 posted on 01/07/2005 9:54:34 AM PST by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: tvn
ships can simply be required to report unusual ocean activities.

Most tsumanis have a very long wave length and low wave height in the open ocean. A ship at sea would be very unlikely to notice it at all. The damaging wave height builds as the wave enters shallower water, which slows the forward part of the wave train causing the water to 'pile up'.
12 posted on 01/07/2005 9:56:11 AM PST by javachip
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To: newgeezer

Dittos... There we go again with the liberal need to go GLOBAL, global support, Global permission,advise,
What about the other Global nations doing their part for their part of the world.


13 posted on 01/07/2005 9:58:25 AM PST by newfrpr04
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To: Cowboy Bob

Bump for later...


14 posted on 01/07/2005 9:59:14 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Fraud is the lifeblood of the Democratic Party)
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To: Uncle Fud
Trying to evacuate a whole chunk of the eastern seaboard on a couple hours' notice could result in more collateral deaths than would the wave

My thoughts exactly.

15 posted on 01/07/2005 10:08:46 AM PST by digger48
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To: javachip

Yep, the ship thing is utterly worthless and pointless with regard to tsunami.

Also a surprisingly large portion of the surface of the oceans NEVER EVER sees any ship traffic. It's concentrated in a few narrow lanes.


16 posted on 01/07/2005 10:31:53 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: tvn
Knee-jerk ALERT!
17 posted on 01/07/2005 10:56:25 AM PST by Lou L
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To: Strategerist
Rather than dealing with observations based upon probable or likely effects on shipping, the first approach should be to assess how ships at sea actually reacted to the recent Tsunami.

With regard to shipping lanes, the coverage is broad and well-positioned using the following:

AFRICAN TRADE LANES
Africa to Asia
Africa to Australia
Africa to Europe
Africa to Far East
Africa to Mediterranean
Africa to Middle East

ASIA/PACIFIC TRADE LANES
Asia to Africa
Asia to Australia
Asia to Central America
Asia to Europe
Asia to Mediterranean
Asia to Middle East
Asia to South America

AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND TRADE LANES
Australia to Africa
Australia to Far East
Australia to Mediterranean
Australia to New Zealand
Australia/New Zealand to Europe
New Zealand to Australia
CARIBBEAN TRADE LANES
Caribbean to Europe
Caribbean to Mediterranean
Caribbean to South America

CENTRAL AMERICAN TRADE LANES
Central America to Asia
Central America to Europe
Central America to Mediterranean
Central America to South America

EUROPEAN TRADE LANES
Europe to Africa
Europe to Asia
Europe to Australia/New Zealand
Europe to Caribbean
Europe to Central America
Europe to Far East
Europe to Mediterranean
Europe to Middle East
Europe to South America
Iceland to Europe

MEDITERRANEAN TRADE LANES
Mediterranean to Africa
Mediterranean to Asia
Mediterranean to Australia
Mediterranean to Caribbean
Mediterranean to Central America
Mediterranean to Europe
Mediterranean to Far East
Mediterranean to Middle East
Mediterranean to South America

MIDDLE EAST TRADE LANES
Middle East to Africa
Middle East to Europe
Middle East to Far East
Middle East to Mediterranean

SOUTH AMERICAN TRADE LANES
South America to Asia
South America to Caribbean
South America to Central America
18 posted on 01/07/2005 3:07:08 PM PST by tvn
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To: DumbA@@ LIEberman

1) quit the senate and let governor-Barbie appoint a Republican in your place.

2) go jet-hopping around the world and try to convince all the appropriate countries that it's in their best interest to pony-up money for themselves if they want to buy-in to the system - it's not up to the USA to blow their noses and wipe their backsides for them.

(2b go ask kofi-no-cream for money too. After these last few months, he needs a laugh. No, but seriously..)

3) go WORK FOR A LIVING for the rest of your life and go drop buoys in the ocean to help build the system: carter made his name building houses for the lazy, you can make your name building tidal wave protection systems for the internationally lazy.

19 posted on 01/08/2005 5:42:50 AM PST by solitas
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To: tvn

I thought the left was against pre-emptive actions to protect citizens, or is that unless they're NOT U.S. citizens?


20 posted on 01/10/2005 2:48:24 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: There is no justice, there's 'just us'.)
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