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AARP Curses USA's Grandchildren
USA Next ^ | 1/6/05 | ceoinva

Posted on 01/06/2005 5:54:40 AM PST by ceoinva

AARP fails to recognize that Social Security no longer is a good deal for working people today, the children and grandchildren of its members. Instead, they turn to their old liberal mantra saying "Let Them Be TAXED!"



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KEYWORDS: aarp; socialsecurity; unitedseniors; usanext
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AARP, the planet's largest "liberal" lobby, now openly opposes President Bush on Social Security. It could be a fatal mistake to fight his efforts to give workers the freedom to choose a better deal.

In a letter to members, the organization flatly opposes allowing workers the freedom to choose to shift some of their Social Security payroll taxes into personal savings and investment accounts that would pay part of their future retirement benefits.

AARP fails to recognize that Social Security no longer is a good deal for working people today, the children and grandchildren of its members. For most of these workers, even if Social Security could somehow pay all its promised benefits, the real rate of return represented by those benefits on taxes paid into the program would be 1 to 1.5 percent or less. For many it would be zero or even negative.

Workers would now get a much better deal saving and investing in personal accounts. Let's look at how one concrete reform proposal would work, the legislation introduced in Congress by Republicans Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire.

That bill would allow workers to save and invest roughly the amount in their FICA box each paycheck in their own personal account, which they would directly and individually own just like their IRAs or 401(k)s. A study by Peter Ferrara of the Institute for Policy Innovation showed workers investing through such accounts over their lifetime half in stocks and half in bonds and earning standard market investment returns would retire with enough money in their accounts to pay about two-thirds more than Social Security promises, but cannot pay. If they invested two-thirds in stocks and one-third in bonds, at standard returns their accounts would be able to pay them about twice what Social Security promises.

AARP argues "the guarantee Social Security provides is one worth strengthening, not replacing." But the U.S. Supreme Court has explicitly held that, under the law, Social Security benefits are not federally guaranteed. In the case of Fleming vs. Nestor decided in 1960, the Supreme Court ruled Congress retains the power to cut some or all Social Security benefits to some or all workers at any time.

In contrast, the Ryan-Sununu bill does include an explicit federal guarantee all workers would receive the full benefits promised under current law, whether they choose the personal accounts or choose to stay completely in the current Social Security framework. The bill thereby provides a better and fuller safety net than the current system.

AARP argues that if workers are allowed to shift some of their payroll taxes into personal accounts, the current system would lose money and be weakened. But under the Ryan-Sununu bill, as in any personal account plan, trillions of dollars of new funds are put into an expanded and modernized Social Security framework, to ensure all promised benefits, and ultimately more, are paid. These funds come from the much higher investment returns that would be earned through the personal accounts and from federal general revenues not now used for Social Security.

AARP embraces a fallacy when it says this new funding means personal accounts are expensive. The transition financing under such reform represents the money going into the personal accounts of working people all over the country. With that money, and the accumulated investment returns, after just the first 15 years under Ryan-Sununu, workers would have accumulated $7.8 trillion in today's dollars in their personal accounts, according to the official score of the bill by the chief actuary of Social Security.

Moreover, in the process of such reform, the current $10.5 trillion unfunded liability of Social Security would be eliminated. Transition financing for personal accounts would be much less, eliminating this huge debt and leaving workers with trillions in personal account assets and higher benefits.

AARP advocates instead raising taxes and forcing all state and local government workers into Social Security. But these solutions are more of the AARP same. AARP went along with taxation of Social Security benefits adopted in 1983, and with 1993's sharp increase in those taxes. It has not supported repeal of the death tax and reduced capital gains taxes, which would both greatly benefit seniors. AARP represents its political interests in Washington, not retirees.

Republicans and other personal account advocates would be foolish to let AARP dictate policy on personal accounts. AARP is all bluff and bluster. For more than a decade, polls have consistently shown overwhelming public support for personal accounts -- in the range of two-thirds or more. This support cuts across party lines, and is particularly strong among Hispanics and African Americans. The support has been borne out in the past three election cycles, where candidates supporting personal accounts have won over and over again.

Let's not give in to Washington poseurs what we have already won at the grass roots. AARP wants a fight on this issue, and we are going to give it one.

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1 posted on 01/06/2005 5:54:41 AM PST by ceoinva
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To: ceoinva
AARP Curses USA's Grandchildren

I think AARP is just representing its members. After all, my parents (who are not members but are retired) despise me and my children with a passion and would like nothing better than to see us continue to pay ever increasing FICA taxes and never receive a penny of it.

2 posted on 01/06/2005 6:00:35 AM PST by SittinYonder (Tancredo and I wanna know what you believe)
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To: ceoinva
AARP = Liberal

OED

3 posted on 01/06/2005 6:02:19 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: ceoinva

I turned 50 last year and never received an application from the gimme geezers. Maybe they knew better.

How will the President combat the lies and distortions from the 'rats?


4 posted on 01/06/2005 6:04:30 AM PST by Jacquerie (Democrats soil the institutions they control)
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To: SittinYonder

The good news is that the young people of this country have noticed and are taking a look at what needs to be done. Let the debate begin.


5 posted on 01/06/2005 6:09:09 AM PST by maxter (I)
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To: SittinYonder
I think AARP is just representing its members.

By their actions, they're also presuming to represent AARP's potential future members as well. If their current constituency (those already at retirement age) doesn't want to privately invest their incomes, fine. But hear me AARP, let those under age 50 invest our own money!

6 posted on 01/06/2005 6:12:34 AM PST by Lou L
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To: ceoinva

The AARP is a socialist orgainization. I am one of those retarded people they say they represent and I told them where they could stick their orgainization.


7 posted on 01/06/2005 6:12:50 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Jacquerie

If you are an IDIOT that is a member for $12.50 a year, you are going against yourself !

They are the largest LOBBYING group for Socialist LIBERALS !


8 posted on 01/06/2005 6:13:44 AM PST by Zenith
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To: ceoinva

AARP is just a big marketing organization. When you turn 50 they start sending you stuff, including a membership card. Unless you send it back and tell them to take you off their mailing list, you become a member. Before we got the junk turned off, they sent us all sorts of advertising for life and health insurance, travel, discounts, etc. They claim to represent millions but they don't. It's just a scam.


9 posted on 01/06/2005 6:14:01 AM PST by Mercat (I know my Redeemer lives)
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To: SittinYonder
I think AARP is just representing its members.

It is natural for man to think only of himself selfishly. Man's depravity naturally tempts him to think this way and not of the children.

Rather than look for solutions to insure the system for Seniors to come. The AARP balks at any change; like a curmudgeon tightly holding a money bag.

Thus the fight the President is in, is not only against a lobbyist group, but against sin nature. Thus I recommend strong prayers on his behalf, that President George W. Bush would be given wisdom over his enemies on high, and prevail over the slandering principalities and those, like a mangy lion, roar at him. May he be given courage and steadfastness to do battle for the senior citizens to come, honoring his parents and parents to come. In Christ's name , I pray.

10 posted on 01/06/2005 6:14:59 AM PST by sr4402
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To: ceoinva

I posted this on another thread yesterday. What'da ya think? Is it close or no?




Here is the problem. The polititions are gonna have to do something as in a few years about 40% of us will be supporting 60%-the baby boomers are about to retire en mass! AND SS is bankrupt. Thats right its BANKRUPT. By 2010 it will be about 12 trillion in debt. Why? Because its been robbed of all its assets by the congress and presidents. Ask them how much actual cash is on hand in the SS account..not the balance on paper but actual reserves of money. The answer is, there is nothing there. So by 2010 a very safe bet will be that this government will be in excess of 20 trillion in debt with SS included, 40% of the population will have to burden themselves with 60% AND pay off the national debt. AND they want a national health care to boot? Wont happen, because this government will collapse financially...OR, they will have to triple the income tax, raise the retirment age to 70 plus, reduce SS benefits by over one half and cut the budget over the board by at least 60% Just to keep this government afloat.

OR go to a NRST within the next 2 years in which they only spend next year what they take in this year. I never favored a Nation Retail Sales Tax till I got to thinking. It taxes everyone..illegal immigrants, visitors to this country, rich, welfare people and it taxes imports sold inot this country. But I DO NOT FAVOR mixing the national retirment account (Social Security) into it. Why? Because the lying thieving politions will continue robbing it like they are now. And tax ONLY goods..NOT services. What the heck? Tax services and you'll have them taxing medical and everything...of course thats what they want isnt it? MONEY! MO MONEY MO MONEY MO MONEY is the polititions battle cry.


11 posted on 01/06/2005 6:16:47 AM PST by crz
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To: sr4402

As a Grandmother and Mother I protect my children and grandchildren and never want to be a burden on either one. I want to be independent all the days of my life.

And I want them to be independent financially as well.

I do beleive this is the wish of all parents and grandparents

AARP appears to be the only game in town who say they are representing the elderly and they have grown into a large lobby group in Washington, anyone hear of any Conservative lobby group that will replace AARP for Republican Conservative seniors??


12 posted on 01/06/2005 6:23:00 AM PST by stopem
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To: ceoinva

If conservatives can defeat the liberal leadership of AARP, it will be a WATERSHED EVENT in lobbying history. I hope we can; the members of AARP are being LIED TO by the chiefs of that organization, and the youngest workers in America need to be protected from a Social Security system that will fail miserably unless our lawmakers ACT WISELY!


13 posted on 01/06/2005 6:23:11 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SittinYonder

I must assume this is not the average situation. You must have done something to make them love you so.


14 posted on 01/06/2005 6:27:11 AM PST by BillM
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To: SoFloFreeper
You are right. All concernd conservatives should join USA Next, The Conservative Alternative to the AARP! Click Here To Join
15 posted on 01/06/2005 6:32:36 AM PST by ceoinva
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To: crz

In ending to this post. Since there will not be enough money collected in taxes within this nation because of just 40% of the total population working to support the rest, they are going to have to look for "outside" sorces for that tax money to equalize the 40% and get it up to at least 50/50. They cant even come cose to doing that under this present tax system and they know it. Yet since it is easier to raise the income tax or use it for a political campaign issue, they will drag their feet till it comes close to the people revolting.


16 posted on 01/06/2005 6:35:15 AM PST by crz
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To: SittinYonder

The socialist's who control AARP should read the following...

EMPOWERING WORKERS: THE PRIVATIZATION OF SOCIAL SECURITY IN CHILE

NCPA - Social Security - Chile Led The Way On Social Security Privatization

The Chilean Heroes of Social Security Privatizers

17 posted on 01/06/2005 6:49:46 AM PST by NWO Slave
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To: ceoinva

They are going to destroy the relationship between the generations..Many older people just do not understand what has happened to Social Security. My Dad, who is in his late 80s understands. He told me he drew out the total of what he had paid in within one year. Of course, he began to draw many years ago. My Mother does not have the cognition to understand what the consequences of today's system will do to her grandchildren and greatgrandchildren. The children will become enslaved to the monmouth boomer generation who will begin drawing social security very soon. Therein lies revolution. AARP has become a liberal lobbying group and not much more. I would bet if you could go to each person with a membership in AARP, you would find that most are totally against their liberal stance and are unaware of what they are really trying to do politically..It is just a bunch of narcissists who do not care about the future. Anyone knows that when a person or a program is going bankrupt, something has to change. These liberals just cannot stand for people to rule their own lives. Power-mongering is their game and they cannot get power unless they take yours away.


18 posted on 01/06/2005 6:50:15 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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The Grab-Handy Old Farts Club just doesn't want to deal with change. With SS, they have a secure lobbying position - and a stable power source - in D.C. and with the scared seniors they "represent". New SS would mean a complete change in the way they gain members and support in future.


19 posted on 01/06/2005 6:56:30 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: ceoinva

Oh, but we are importing illegal youth to cover the shortage in SS funds created by the extinction of 60 million Americans.


20 posted on 01/06/2005 7:00:06 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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