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Army Reserve fast becoming 'broken' force - General points to Iraq, 'dysfunctional' policies
Baltimore Sun ^ | January 5, 2005 | Tom Bowman

Posted on 01/05/2005 8:21:57 PM PST by Former Military Chick

WASHINGTON - The Army Reserve, a force of 200,000 part-time soldiers that provides key support in Iraq and Afghanistan with medics, engineers and truck drivers, "is rapidly degenerating into a 'broken' force," its top general told senior Army leaders.

In a blunt memo, Lt. Gen. James R. "Ron" Helmly, chief of the Army Reserve, noted the demands of overseas commitments and the unwillingness of Army and Pentagon officials to change "dysfunctional" policies that hamper the Reserve on issues such as training, extension of service and the mobilization of his soldiers.

The Dec. 20 memo, which was obtained by The Sun, says "current demands" in Iraq and Afghanistan put his command in "grave danger" of being unable to meet other potential Pentagon missions or help with domestic emergencies, and that the Army Reserve "is rapidly degenerating into a 'broken' force."

"The purpose of this memorandum is to inform you of the Army Reserve's inability ... to meet mission requirements" associated with Iraq and Afghanistan "and to reset and regenerate its forces for follow-on and future missions," Helmly wrote in the eight-page memo sent through channels to the Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker.

"I do not wish to sound alarmist," Helmly wrote. "I do wish to send a clear, distinctive signal of deepening concern."

Interviewed yesterday at the Pentagon, Helmly said: "I stand by the memorandum. Is there frustration? Absolutely. Is the frustration beyond control? No."

The memo was designed as a frank exchange with Army leaders in advance of congressional hearings, Helmly said, adding that he plans to press ahead with reforms for the long-term health of the Reserve.

"Loyalty means I share with the chain of command my best professional judgment," he said.

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To: GodfearingTexan; Eagle Eye
That's what I thought. Seems to me the solution is to make the active duty army more self-contained so you don't have as many specialties that are represented disproportionately in the Reserves.

In the Marines, we have four divisions. Three active, and one reserve. Each is more or less self contained, so you don't need to yank up reservists to fully support active duty field divisions. The army seems to have farmed out much of the support stuff to reservists, which creates an imbalance when you need the support stuff to go to war.

One of my old roommates who was an army officer complained about that, and predicted that it would one day cause problems for the Army if it needed reserves for an extended period.

121 posted on 01/06/2005 12:27:58 PM PST by XJarhead
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To: ContemptofCourt
"The reserves and NG are intended to be a part-time force; the actives are our full time force."

And I think you are wrong. The reserves and NG are intended to be a part-time force until we need them to be a full time force, like now. Why have a bunch of people training on weekends, if their only function is to train on weekends?

"What I, and others, are saying is that we should be utilizing our active troops, and not using the reserves and NG troops as much as we have been."

We have been using our active troops. Read post #19 in this thread by Old Sarge. In his post he explains that the USAR has many of the logistics units. When the active troops are deployed, they need logistic troops to supply them and many of those troops are reserves.

"The bottom line is that people are not going to sign up to a be a part-time warrior if the job is really a full-time one."

The bottom line is that apparently many people signed up to be part time warriors, understanding that they might have to become full time warriors, but betting that they would never in fact have to fulfill their requirement. They lost their bet.

If not enough people sign up for the reserves, we will have to do something else, either increase the rewards for being in the reserves, or cut back on the reserves and increase our regular forces, or change the type of duties that our reserves do, or something else. I am sure those responsible for setting military policy are at least as cognizant of the problems as you and I and are at least as concerned about fixing these problems as you and I. You do not turn a system as large as the reserves around on a dime, so whatever they come up with, it will probably be some combination of band aids to get us through the current war and then restructuring for the long term.
122 posted on 01/06/2005 12:31:50 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: ContemptofCourt
"An ancedote: one of my buddies is a marine reservist and a lawyer. He got called up early in the game and served 7 months in theatre. He did his duty, accepted his huge paycut, and didn't bitch. But when it came time to reup, he got out...because a guy can not support a family of 5 when he has no idea when he is going to get called up again, and sees the writing on the wall that it is going to happen repeatedly."

When he signed up did this lawyer not understand that he could be called up and that if he was called up he would take a pay cut?

This is why I think this is a good thing. We were paying a guy to be in the reserves who, given his big salary and large family, really did not want to serve full time in an emergency. He just wanted to get some extra money for drilling on weekends and keeping one foot in the service. Now that he sees that he may have to serve full time in the future, he gets out, leaving room for another person who is ready, willing, and able to serve full time, if that becomes necessary. The deployments flush out those who do not want to do what they signed up to do and allows others who do want to fight to join. There is no use in having reserves if we cannot use them.
123 posted on 01/06/2005 12:46:00 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined
THIS is what Gen Helmly has been saying...this is from April 2004:

To meet the demands of our nation and the needs of our Army and joint force team, we must change the way we man the Army Reserve, we must change the way we organize, train, and prepare the force, and to accomplish this change, the culture must change. This is a period of change from the old to the new. Forging a new paradigm is akin to the depth of change the Department of Defense endured when transitioning from a conscript force to an all-volunteer force. But we must forge this change while simultaneously continuing the fight in the current war. We are not afforded the luxury of hanging a sign outside the US Army Reserve Command headquarters that says, “Closed for Remodeling.” The culture must change from one that expects “one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer” to one that understands “I am, first of all, a Soldier, though not on daily active duty, before and after a call to active duty I am expected to live Army values; I am expected to prepare for mobilization as if I knew the day and the hour that it would come. I use my civilian skills and all that I am to perform my military duties. I understand that I must prepare to be called to active duty for various periods of time during my military career while simultaneously advancing my civilian career.”

-snip-

While changing industrial-age mobilization, personnel, training, and development policies is necessary, restructuring our force so that we can implement predictable and sustainable rotations based upon depth in capability is also necessary. We are committed to achieving a capability ratio that will manage Army Reserve deployments to once every four or five years. Predictable and sustainable utilization is a key factor in maintaining Soldier, family, and civilian employer support. One of the goals of transforming our force is to change policies that are harmful to Soldiers and families. Predictable rotation schedules will allow the Army Reserve to continue to be a long term source of skill-rich capabilities for small scale contingency conflicts and follow-on operations. Properly executed, predictable rotations will provide our units with operational experience; provide a sense of fulfillment for our Soldiers; impart a sense of order for our Soldiers, and even out the work load across the force. The recent changes to the Operation Enduring Freedom and Operation Iraqi Freedom rotational schedules are an important step in establishing those rotational capabilities.

http://appropriations.senate.gov/hearmarkups/record.cfm?id=220209

Which has been my point...the general is pissed off that no one has been listening to him.

124 posted on 01/06/2005 12:48:28 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Max Combined
Stop loss.

That's part of the problem. It used to be that the greatest recruiting tool the Guard and the Reserves had were soldiers coming off of active duty. Not any more.

In 2000, we had none of our troops deployed to Iraq or Afganistan and the Army had an authorized troop strength of 480,000 active duty troops. The Guard had an authorized strength of 350,000 and the Reserves had an authorized troop strenght of 205,000. Four years later we are in the middle of the war on terrorism. We have over 130,000 troops tied up in Afganistan and Iraq for the forseable future. And at the end of 2004 the authorized troop strength of the Army was still 480,000. The Guard still had an authorized strength of 350,000. And the reserves still had an authorized strength of 205,000. So I'll ask again, what has this administration done to reduce the demand on the troops or increase the numbers available?

125 posted on 01/06/2005 12:52:41 PM PST by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: ContemptofCourt

"the Army Reserve has also stumbled, falling 315 recruits short of its goal"

The sky is falling!


126 posted on 01/06/2005 12:55:18 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

Put it in perspective...10% under quota....that adds up eventually.


127 posted on 01/06/2005 1:05:32 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Daus
"My un-informed impression is that a LOT of active duty divisions are home right now."

Read post #19 learn why.
128 posted on 01/06/2005 1:35:37 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Willie Green

"But as this Iraqi deployment drags out over time, these troops can no longer be described as "reserve"."

I see, the reserves are supposed to always be held in reserve and are never to be used, as you understand it.


129 posted on 01/06/2005 1:39:47 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: ContemptofCourt

"The culture must change from one that expects “one weekend a month, two weeks in the summer” to one that understands “I am, first of all, a Soldier, though not on daily active duty, before and after a call to active duty I am expected to live Army values; I am expected to prepare for mobilization as if I knew the day and the hour that it would come. I use my civilian skills and all that I am to perform my military duties. I understand that I must prepare to be called to active duty for various periods of time during my military career while simultaneously advancing my civilian career.”"

No problem with this.


130 posted on 01/06/2005 1:44:32 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

Max,

You seem to be implying that these guys who were doctors, lawyers, private business owners, etc should have known they could be deployed for an extended period of time, lose their house, their car, their business, their medicine or law practice.

Tell me, given that assertion, why should anyone under those circumstances sign up to be a reservist if it potentially means throwing your career away.

I think you mean to imply that it would be foolish for almost anyone to sign up to be a reservist under the current force structure, legal framework, and compensation package. Is it your intention to advocate the elimination of the reserves all together? Given your statements, that would be the only logical conclusion that anyone wanting to support a family, have a career, own a house, or maintain a business could reach, no?

Regards,
A former reservist who got out because I reached this conclusion: If the reserves will, in fact, be used as a defacto active duty force and yet treated drastically worse with regards to compensation and benefits, then I am making a poor decision to remain in them, regardless of my patriotism. I can support my country in other ways than being a reservist without having to sacrafice a family, a career, and a house.


131 posted on 01/06/2005 5:57:42 PM PST by Nagilum
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To: Nagilum
"You seem to be implying that these guys who were doctors, lawyers, private business owners, etc should have known they could be deployed for an extended period of time, lose their house, their car, their business, their medicine or law practice."

I am not implying, I am stating that these guys should have known that they could be deployed for an extended period of time. The contract they signed said exactly that, did it not? As far as losing their house, their car, their business, their medicine or law practice, they should have thought of that when they signed up and acted accordingly.


"Tell me, given that assertion, why should anyone under those circumstances sign up to be a reservist if it potentially means throwing your career away."

I have no idea. I did not force anyone to sign up and to the best of my knowledge no one else forced them to sign up. I presume that they felt that given the totality of their circumstances joining the reserves was something they wanted to do.

As I have written in other posts, I suppose some of the people who signed up for the reserves did not think that they would ever have to deploy for an extended time, but they certainly knew that it was a possibility.
132 posted on 01/06/2005 7:46:59 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Nagilum
"I can support my country in other ways than being a reservist without having to sacrifice a family, a career, and a house."

You do what you think is best for you and good luck.
133 posted on 01/06/2005 7:48:56 PM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

You know, you have sure gotten your mileage from someone else's words about 'cowboying up'.

I'm sure that the same pilot instructor will tell you that aircrews have mandatory work/rest regimines and that aricraft have required maintenance schedules.

At some point aircrews or their commanders have to tell uppers when they are reaching their limits and that to go beyond those limits exposes the crews and aircraft to unneccesary risk and preventable mishaps. If those issues are addressed in a timely fashion the mission continues on successfully. If not, the mission will falter.

When that commander does this, he is doing his duty and looking out for the long term success of the organization and mission.

This is exactly what that general is doing, he is doing his duty by warning that the systems are reaching their limits.

This isn't a movie or tv show where Capt. Kirk can just push all limits aside and go full bore into the black hole.

This also isn't something that I expect gung ho wannabe-but-hafta-talk-my-daughter-into-doing-it-for-me types to understand.


135 posted on 01/07/2005 7:39:54 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3/5 Got theirs. And then some.)
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To: Eagle Eye

"This is exactly what that general is doing, he is doing his duty by warning that the systems are reaching their limits."

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, this general is an attention grabbing jerk who leaked an internal memo to the press in order to garner publicity for himself.

I know you do not value my opinion. In fact, you do not think I even have a right to express my opinion, since I have never served in the military, but why do you ignore the post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314993/posts?page=10#10

by Old Sarge who is an NCO with the Kentucky Guard and has served for 20 yrs, who states:

"I read this article, and I smell a retiring flag officer angling for either a sweet contractor deal, or a seat in Congress from a certain military-loathing political party."

Old Sarge and I are in complete agreement on this issue or at least I agree with everything Old Sarge has posted on this thread. Why don't you go and jabber at him, instead of worrying me like a hound dog with a dried pig's ear?


136 posted on 01/07/2005 7:52:48 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: Eagle Eye; Old Sarge

"This is exactly what that general is doing, he is doing his duty by warning that the systems are reaching their limits."

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. In my opinion, this general is an attention grabbing jerk who leaked an internal memo to the press in order to garner publicity for himself.

I know you do not value my opinion. In fact, you do not think I even have a right to express my opinion, since I have never served in the military, but why do you ignore the post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314993/posts?page=10#10

by Old Sarge who is an NCO with the Kentucky Guard and has served for 20 yrs, who states:

"I read this article, and I smell a retiring flag officer angling for either a sweet contractor deal, or a seat in Congress from a certain military-loathing political party."

Old Sarge and I are in complete agreement on this issue or at least I agree with everything Old Sarge has posted on this thread. Why don't you go and jabber at him, instead of worrying me like a hound dog with a dried pig's ear?


137 posted on 01/07/2005 7:53:30 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

You pretty much stated it. I can respectfully disagree with OldSarge.

Funny how you cling to the two people with whom you agree and shed the many, many who don't.

And I never said you couldn't have opinions. These guys here are helping to protect your right to express those opinons. I've simply stated that your opinions are ignorant. It is your arrogance in the face of your ignorance that makes people want to tell you to STFU.

And as Forrest Gump said, 'And that's all I have to say about that'.


138 posted on 01/07/2005 8:02:41 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3/5 Got theirs. And then some.)
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To: Former Military Chick
"I do not wish to sound alarmist," Helmly wrote. "I do wish to send a clear, distinctive signal of deepening concern."

He is a bad writer. A "clear, distinct signal" would have been better than a "clear, distinctive signal", but a "clear signal" would have been better yet.
139 posted on 01/07/2005 8:06:53 AM PST by Max Combined
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To: Max Combined

Sorry, one more.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1315716/posts

Seems the Pentagon is concerned enough about things to send in a high level fact finder.

There are plenty of administration worshippers who feel anything less than cheerleading is Bush Bashing and smear tactics against the administration. These same people will ignore facts and truths if they are not positive or reflect well on the President. They will ignore or deny the logistical and maintenance issues when it suits them.

And those people, like you, accuse me of having a personal agenda. Well I do and it is serving the troops. Continuing to praise the Emporers clothing does not serve the troops well at all.


140 posted on 01/07/2005 8:08:49 AM PST by Eagle Eye (3/5 Got theirs. And then some.)
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