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To: griffin
But,for those who still are not convinced, can we hopefully agree that the reason we were created was to bring Him Glory?

Glory or pleasure. I don't think its up to us to bring God glory. Pleasure, maybe.

If so, what brings more glory to God?

Your question sets things up for us humans to decide what brings God glory. Apart from scripture, I'm not qualified. It is my understanding that Jesus's death and resurrection brought God glory and nothing we do can add or subtract to that.

A single filthy, sin ridden human that reaches out of his element to grasp salvation?

Jesus say we are spiritually dead. We have no way of reaching out if we are dead.

Or a God that can reach into that miserable creature's filthy, sin loving man and change him from the inside out enabling him to search after the invisible reality of God? However, if I can reach out, then its by my works that I am saved. God does 99.99 %, I still get credit for the .01 and therefore its my glory that accounts for my being saved.

If I am dead, this is about the only chance I have. Otherwise I'm doomed.

177 posted on 01/03/2005 2:57:23 PM PST by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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To: Raycpa
I don't think its up to us to bring God glory. Pleasure, maybe.

1Cor 10:31 "Whatever you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God"

Matt 5:16, "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven".

Rom 4:20, (Abraham) did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God,

If glory, no and pleasure maybe, why do you think He created us?

If so, what brings more glory to God?

Your question sets things up for us humans to decide what brings God glory. Apart from scripture, I'm not qualified. It is my understanding that Jesus's death and resurrection brought God glory and nothing we do can add or subtract to that.

Isn't that the question of the thread though? I am not deciding...but duducing.....who chooses and who should get the credit for salvation of men? The thought is how can person A logically get the most credit (glory) for an accomplishment involving person B?

A single filthy, sin ridden human that reaches out of his element to grasp salvation?

Jesus say we are spiritually dead. We have no way of reaching out if we are dead.

Yes...slave to sin or spiritually dead. The latter is more illustrative.

However, if I can reach out, then its by my works that I am saved. God does 99.99 %, I still get credit for the .01 and therefore its my glory that accounts for my being saved.

Agreed...without a correct choice from a spiritually dead sin enslaved person the deal can not be completed and therefore Christ's atonement is not complete and adequate by itself. Beyond reason.

194 posted on 01/03/2005 4:06:27 PM PST by griffin
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